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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- TYPO
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 12:55:17 +0200
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On 2024-10-31 01:20:40 +0000, Mike Terry said:

> On 30/10/2024 23:35, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 10/30/24 8:34 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 10/30/2024 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/24 10:54 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 10/29/2024 5:50 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/24 11:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/28/2024 9:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/24 9:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2024 6:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It is IMPOSSIBLE to emulate DDD per the x86 semantics without the code 
>>>>>>>>>> for HHH, so it needs to be part of the input.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *You seemed to be a totally Jackass here*
>>>>>>>>> You are not that stupid
>>>>>>>>> You are not that ignorant
>>>>>>>>> and this is not your ADD
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> At machine address 0000217a HHH emulates itself emulating
>>>>>>>>> DDD without knowing that it is emulating itself.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Then how did it convert the call HHH into an emulation of DDD again?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When HHH (unknowingly) emulates itself emulating DDD this
>>>>>>> emulated HHH is going to freaking emulate DDD.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did you think it was going to play poker?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which is what it would do, get stuck and fail to be a decider. It might 
>>>>>> figure out that it is emulating an emulating decider, at which point it 
>>>>>> knows that the decider might choose to abort its conditional emulation 
>>>>>> to return, so it needs to emulate further.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Only by recognizing itself, does it have grounds to say that if I don't 
>>>>>> abort, it never will, and thus I am stuck, so I need to abort.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Counter-factual. This algorithm has no ability to KNOW ITS OWN CODE.
>>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c // page 801
>>>>> 
>>>>> *That people fail to agree with this and also fail to*
>>>>> *correctly point out any error seems to indicate dishonestly*
>>>>> *or lack of technical competence*
>>>>> 
>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86
>>>>> language cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction
>>>>> whether or not any HHH ever aborts its emulation of DDD.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I read, reread again and again to make sure that my understanding
>>>>> is correct. You seems to glance at a few words before spouting off a 
>>>>> canned rebuttal that does not even apply to my words.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No, it knows its own code because it rule for "No conditional branches" 
>>>> excludes that code.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> It does not know its own code. It merely knows that the
>>> machine address that it is looking at belongs to the
>>> operating system. I simply don't have the fifty labor
>>> years that AProVE: Non-Termination Witnesses for C Programs,
>>> could spend on handling conditional branches.
>>> 
>>> The stupid aspect on your part is that even knowing
>>> that its own code halts THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
>>> DDD REACHING TS OWN RETURN INSTRUCTION.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> No, HHH is NOT part of the "Operating System" so your claims are just a lie,
> 
> PO definitely has a deep-rooted problem with his thinking here.

What PO does does not look like any thingking but more like what one
could expect from ChatgPPT or a similar AI.

-- 
Mikko