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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Scientists found one of the largest carbon-based space molecules ever. Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:26:09 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vg0421$2ni3p$1@dont-email.me> References: <vfuup6$2hsaf$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="87045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:h8zoztSaz3bVxJpH20ABMDucEqM= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id B94B0229782; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:26:17 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9711A229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:26:15 -0400 (EDT) id 49EBD61116; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C34A5FD1F for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:26:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 1C34A5FD1F (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AEBB5F70C for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 14:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/9AEBB5F70C; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 229B6DC01A9; Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:26:10 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:26:09 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19zLh9WymuBeCYW6ZkHPZv3xVHqc8KiSoY= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vfuup6$2hsaf$1@dont-email.me> FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org On 10/30/2024 10:49 PM, Pro Plyd wrote: > > > https://www.livescience.com/space/astronomy/scientists-found-one-of-the- > largest-carbon-based-space-molecules-ever-heres-why-thats-a-big-deal > > Astronomers have discovered one of the largest > carbon-based molecules found in deep space, > located within the Taurus molecular cloud, 430 > light-years from Earth. The finding is > significant because it provides further clues > that might help solve a longstanding mystery > in astrochemistry: Where does carbon, the > building block of life, come from? A couple of years ago a paper made the proposal that most of the carbon in the universe had to have been created in stars around the size of ours or larger, but not large enough to go Nova. The carbon would have been expelled from these stars when they entered their red giant phase at the end of their active stellar lives. So carbon would have accumulated more slowly in the universe because it would take longer for these stars to age into red giants. Stars the size of ours would not have expelled their carbon until they were 10 billion years old, but stars larger than ours would cycle faster. Elements heavier than iron are supposed to be created in super nova or stellar collisions. Ron Okimoto > > The molecule, called pyrene, is made up of four > fused planar rings of carbon. > > "This is now the seventh individual PAH > identified in space since we first found one > in 2021," said Ilsa Cooke, assistant professor > in the UBC department of chemistry. "[PAHs] > have similar chemical structures to the > building blocks of life. By learning more > about how these molecules form and are > transported in space, we learn more about our > own solar system and so, the life within it." > > The astronomers estimated that pyrene > accounted for about 0.1% of the carbon found > in the cloud. "That is an absolutely massive > abundance. An almost unbelievable sink of > carbon. It’s an interstellar island of > stability," said McGuire. > > What was even more intriguing to the team, > aside from finding pyrene in the origin > place of our solar system, is the fact that > the temperatures of the cloud were measured > to be only 10 Kelvin (-263 degrees Celsius). > On Earth, PAHs are formed during high > temperature processes, namely through the > combustion of fossil fuels. Finding them in > this cold environment was therefore > surprising. "Future work aims to explore > whether PAHs can form somewhere that’s > extremely cold, or whether they arrive from > elsewhere in the universe, potentially via > the death throes of an old star," said > Cooke. >