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From: Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: AGW. LNG Worse Than Coal.
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:33:19 -0500
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On 10/31/2024 3:11 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> On 10/31/24 11:58, Lynn McGuire wrote:
>> On 10/31/2024 11:06 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> ...
>>>>>     yes and it has a short half life in the atmosphere but we
>>>>> humans tilted the balance with our COO emissions. All for the sake
>>>>> of faster and easier.
>>>>>
>>>>>     bliss
>>>>
>>>> No, for the sake of civilization.
>>>
>>> Somehow, I never thought of (say) Assyria or Classical Greece as
>>> making massive CO2 emissions.
>>>
>>> Yet both were civilizations.
>>
>> Our present civilization is built on cheap energy.  Getting rid of 
>> fossil fuels today would cause a huge population crash across the 
>> planet.  Maybe a 10X crash.  The primary cause of the crash would be 
>> the lack of tractors and harvesters.  The secondary cause of the crash 
>> would be fertilizers.
>>
>> Lynn
>>
> 
>      Global warming is going to result in many deaths because
> fertile lands are already being flooded, See Bangladesh.
> Tractors can be run on big batteries just like cars and a portion
> of the farmer's acres can be turned to power generation.
>      Everyone on the planet now and in the future is doomed to
> death because that is the payment for life. We all die sooner
> or later and everyone puts it off as long as possible,
> if sane and not living in constant pain.
> 
>      But by use of fossil fuels we have ensured the death
> of nations all over the planet.
>      Now cities like San Francisco imagine that they can
> in the future ameliorate the effects of rising waters by
> building sea wall but these will not work when the water from
> the SF Bay is high enough to intrude into the Central Valley.
> The food supply will begin to suffer as the salt water intrudes.
> Of course if we build a high dam at the Carquinez Strait we
> might get a very contaminated fresh water lake. It would take
> a long time to get the water cleaned up and might be simply
> impossible.
> 
>      bliss

Good luck in getting batteries to work in tractors and harvesters that 
run 24 hours per day as many do.  The battery manufacturers and the 
vehicle companies are having severe problems keeping today's liquid 
lithium batteries in the 59 F to 85 F service range for severe service 
conditions.  Above 140 F, the liquid lithium batteries can spontaneously 
combust.

And of course, cost is a major condition here.  Many of the farmers now 
buy tractors and harvesters using collectives due to the extreme costs 
of such equipment.  That just means that the equipment gets used even 
harder.

Lynn