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From: Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
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Subject: Re: OT: Programming Languages
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 15:55:02 GMT
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On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Nov 2024 14:46:50 +0000) it happened Cursitor Doom
<cd@notformail.com> wrote in <beecij9b6q9s1tccqch6a9hhnege4h5507@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:42:19 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Nov 2024 18:04:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor
>>Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote in <vg3575$3bio0$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>You can call me old fashioned, but I still believe there's never been a 
>>>more elegant computer language than the original K&R C. You can keep the 
>>>rest; I'll stick with that.
>>
>>Agree, I use C only and asm when needed.
>>I started with binary interfacing hardware...
>>Nothing of all of that was hard.
>>
>>BASIC was fun too, but very limiting, slow interpreted language.
>>but fun for simple math...
>>No floating point shit when doing asm .
>>most human relevant things can be done in 32 bit integer.
>>
>>My first computer was a Sinclair ZX80
>>It ran BASIC, a good BASIC.
>>Then I converted it to a CP/M machine, running the C80 C compiler.
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/index.html
>>Added all sortd of I/O:
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/system14/diagrams/index.html
>>
>>At work I was using the first IBM PCs..
>>designing ISA cards with all sort of things on it, like vector stuff,
>>process control, what not.
>>My CP/M running Z81 (by then) was faster than the IBM due to the RAMDISK I build.
>>
>>Still using C now at home and Micochip PIC asm...
>>No bloat today
>
>About 30 years ago, I bought a C compiler from Microsoft. It came in a
>foot-cube box with thumping great manuals and umpteen discs. What a
>pile of shit that turned out to be. It was *riddled* with bugs and the
>Microsoft 'support' people were as dense as pig shit and didn't seem
>to know a thing about the product. But that didn't stop them keeping
>me tied up on the line racking up charges while they came up with ever
>more ingenious tactics of trying to cover up how vacuous they really
>were on the subject. I subsequently migrated to Borland and life got a
>hell of a lot better, thankfully.

C/80 (for Z80) was a nice C compiler
In 1998 I bought a computer magazine at the train station and it came with a CD with SLS Linux
That distro had, among other things, gcc as C compiler.
Moved to Linux right away and been using gcc ever since.
I alaready had a book on Unix, so it took just a few hours to get working in linux.
The Unix book I had bought because years earlier I worked a while at a big linear accelerator where they used those PDP things that
ran Unix.

For work I have had to work with Microsoft stuff and C++ and what not, what a mess.
These days you can just ask AI to write the code for you?