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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 11:19:49 +0200 Organization: - Lines: 21 Message-ID: <vg7f7l$a1jf$1@dont-email.me> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vflue8$3nvp8$2@i2pn2.org> <vfmd8m$k2m7$1@dont-email.me> <bcd82d9f8a987d3884220c0df7b8f7204cb9de3e@i2pn2.org> <vfmueh$mqn9$1@dont-email.me> <ff039b922cabbb6d44f90aa71a52d8c2f446b6ab@i2pn2.org> <vfo95k$11qs1$1@dont-email.me> <vfp8c0$3tobi$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpbtq$1837o$2@dont-email.me> <vfq4h9$1fo1n$1@dont-email.me> <vfqpi3$1iaob$4@dont-email.me> <vfqsng$1gikg$1@dont-email.me> <vfsadf$1urkc$1@dont-email.me> <vft4kp$23a0h$1@dont-email.me> <vfvo2o$2ln20$1@dont-email.me> <vg09p2$2kq69$1@dont-email.me> <vg0a9h$2op6r$1@dont-email.me> <fd8bf90393a5bcb10f7913da9081421637262590@i2pn2.org> <vg14nd$2t4b1$1@dont-email.me> <SGUUO.312650$kxD8.126005@fx11.iad> <vg16dl$2th77$1@dont-email.me> <vg2b6j$374jn$1@dont-email.me> <vg2gg1$37lpn$5@dont-email.me> <vg4onc$3ngof$1@dont-email.me> <vg4uem$3o3ca$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2024 10:19:50 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0203175d2690bef4d383d1a5f526ecaa"; logging-data="329327"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/YK3aQJdPNgwjrv7SFh+9S" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:fe4Q6Vb60M5YPsqs9M02DPt8tTQ= Bytes: 2384 On 2024-11-02 10:21:09 +0000, Andy Walker said: > On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote: >>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it. > [PO:] >>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional >>> deception. >> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes >> all false statements. The statement itself does not change >> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in >> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated >> it. > > Disagree. There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those > who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead. That is not a disagreement. -- Mikko