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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
 new basis --- EQUIVOCATION
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On 11/3/2024 8:32 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Sat, 02 Nov 2024 20:33:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 11/2/2024 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/2/24 9:00 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/2/2024 7:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/2/24 8:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/2/2024 7:21 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/2/24 5:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/2/2024 3:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/2/24 12:56 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/2/2024 10:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/2/24 8:24 AM, olcott wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>> Of course, that is for this exact input, which uses the copy of H
>>>>>>>>> that does abort and return.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No it is not.
>>>>>>>>     when HHH simulates DDD(), it's analyzing an "idealized"
>>>>>>>>     version of DDD() where nothing stops the recursion.
>>>>>>> In other words you are admitting that it isn't actually looking at
>>>>>>> the input it was given.
>>>>>> ChatGPT (using its own words) and I both agree that HHH is supposed
>>>>>> to predict the behavior of the infinite emulation on the basis of
>>>>>> its finite emulation.
> LLMs literally string words they have previously seen together.
> 
>>>>> Yes, but that behavior is DEFINED by the actual behavior of the
>>>>> actual machine.
>>>> No it is not. It is never based on the actual behavior of the actual
>>>> machine for any non-terminating inputs.
> Haha what? It absolutely is. For a nonterminating input a halting
> decider must return that it doesn't halt.
> 
>>> Then you don't undetstand the requirement for something to be a
>>> semantic property.
>> The actual behavior specified by the finite string input to HHH does
>> include HHH emulating itself emulating DDD such that this DD *not some
>> other DDD somewhere else*
> Especially not some DDD that calls a non-aborting simulator HHH1.

*HHH1 has identical source code to HHH*

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}

DDD emulated by HHH
CANNOT POSSIBLY reach its own return instruction.

DDD emulated by HHH1
DOES REACH its own return instruction.



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