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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
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On 11/3/2024 12:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/3/24 12:58 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/3/2024 11:53 AM, Mike Terry wrote:
>>> On 03/11/2024 13:19, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2024 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-02 10:21:09 +0000, Andy Walker said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/11/2024 08:43, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> A false assertion is a lie even if nobody asserts it.
>>>>>> [PO:]
>>>>>>>> Not at all. The base meaning of {lie} requires intentional
>>>>>>>> deception.
>>>>>>> That may be its base meaning but the full meaning includes
>>>>>>> all false statements. The statement itself does not change
>>>>>>> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
>>>>>>> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
>>>>>> who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not a disagreement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The term "lie" is to only be applied to intentionally
>>>> deceitful statements. To apply the term "lie" to statements
>>>> not having intentional deceit <is> itself intentional deceit.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not if the person making that claim sincerely believes it. :)  You 
>>> are being inconsistent here...
>>
>> Richard has said that he does not mean intentional
>> deceit when he calls me a liar, yet uses the term
>> "liar" anyway knowing that others will take this
>> to mean intentional deceit. So Richard is a liar
>> for calling me a liar.
>>
> 
> Because the word doesn't just mean intential deciet.
> 
> And you are an intentional liar to say it only means that, as you have 
> been shown the definition.
> 

Unless you always qualify you use of the term "liar" as
{unintentional falsity} it is the kind of defamation suit
that you will lose because the communication process always
assumes the primary meaning of a term unless otherwise specified.

You can't even correctly say that my statements are false.
The most that you can accurately say is that my statements
are inconsistent with conventional opinions.

> IF you won't accept the truth, then you become the classical case of the 
> pathological liar that lies because he can not tell the difference 
> between truth and lies, and speaks with a reckless disreguard for the 
> truth.


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