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From: Dhu on Gate <campbell@neotext.ca>
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Subject: Re: The Still-Persistent Myth of the World Flood
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Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 11:54:16 -0000 (UTC)
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2024 16:08:03 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> On 11/3/24 8:05 AM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>> The timing is off by orders of magnitude, but it did happen when the Atlantic
>> opened up and the Alps-Apallachians folded upwards.
> 
>    Ummmmm ... were barely any mammals back then. They
>    looked like shrews.
> 
>    The Appalachians formed because the spread of the
>    Atlantic put pressure there. The Alps formed (and
>    are still forming) because the African plate is
>    pushing up and under Europe. Someday, no more Med.

Most people don't get "deep time".

> 
> 
>> Is it possible some
>> pre-human people actually had a memory of this they passed down orally? 
> 
>    PRE-human ? You're talking just the past maybe 3 million
>    years there. That's barely a blink in geo time.

The oldest remembrances we have are from the beginning of the 
"stone-age": that Jawbone of an Ass we used to genocide the 
Hyenas of Africa (and conquer Jericho ;) is at least 3 million YA.

> 
>    As said, there no doubt WERE huge floods as the ice-age
>    quickly ended. Early civs, and story trees, already
>    existed. The floods weren't all at the same time and
>    certainly did NOT cover the world. However the whole
>    of the, say, Tigris/Euphrates flood plain MAY have
>    turned into a big lake for awhile. That would have
>    SEEMED to be a 'world flood' to anyone there. It'd
>    be a compelling story, likely to stick.
> 
>    Genetic archeology however does NOT show any especially
>    large human DNA bottleneck from that time. MOST people
>    did NOT get flooded away. However seacoast settlements
>    had to be abandoned, moved much further inland, as the
>    overall sea level rose. LOTS of archeology to be had,
>    under 300' of ocean.
> 
>> And
>> the Caucasian peoples did originate in the Cavcas Mts where Mt Ararat does
>> have what seems as Noah's Ark. Iranian and Armenian are the proto Cavcasian,
>> aka IndoEuropean, languages.
> 
>    Well, 'caucasians' and friends are hardly the whole
>    of Humanity.
> 
>    However Caucs and Semites DID write down the old
>    stories eventually - the ones we find in various
>    religious texts from in and around the Levant and
>    Mesopotamia. Adding a 'religion' angle made the
>    stories all the more 'sticky'.

About right.

Dhu



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