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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: OT: Programming Languages Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 01:22:58 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 86 Message-ID: <vgalc4$vm08$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg3575$3bio0$1@dont-email.me> <vg4l4s$bvap$1@solani.org> <dnecijt2s9um4l6a4qnq3j0ekto8fl955d@4ax.com> <vg5h6n$2n0d$1@solani.org> <fajcij5fqo36lr91h18k25njlggarcj8sc@4ax.com> <cdvcijp2utt8vas16d01g8roidqv50c6rm@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:23:01 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="10224e21d189fe1558c76994f5208af2"; logging-data="1038344"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/RueDMnsI1CcSF3tX1eARdFRVrMBQjWS4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:K5PMTmom7KlvXzQBzS4WJH2JgVc= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241104-0, 4/11/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <cdvcijp2utt8vas16d01g8roidqv50c6rm@4ax.com> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 4866 On 3/11/2024 6:30 am, Cursitor Doom wrote: > On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 09:08:36 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 15:41:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:55:18 -0700) it happened john larkin >>> <JL@gct.com> wrote in <dnecijt2s9um4l6a4qnq3j0ekto8fl955d@4ax.com>: >>> >>>> On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:42:19 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Nov 2024 18:04:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor >>>>> Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote in <vg3575$3bio0$1@dont-email.me>: >>>>> >>>>>> You can call me old fashioned, but I still believe there's never been a >>>>>> more elegant computer language than the original K&R C. You can keep the >>>>>> rest; I'll stick with that. >>>>> >>>>> Agree, I use C only and asm when needed. >>>>> I started with binary interfacing hardware... >>>>> Nothing of all of that was hard. >>>>> >>>>> BASIC was fun too, but very limiting, slow interpreted language. >>>> >>>> PowerBasic is a fabulous compiler. We did one contest, an array math >>>> signal processing thing. I wrote it in PB, another guy in c. Mine ran >>>> 4 times as fast. He played with the code and compiler optimiztions >>>> for a couple of days and got it up to about 60% as fast as my PB >>>> version. >>>> >>>> I used the obvious FOR loop with subscripts to scan the array. He used >>>> pointers. >>>> >>>> c is really a PDP-11 assembler. In the early days of PDP-11 >>>> programming, everybody was fascinated with using pointers to wander up >>>> and down the world, and with pushing stuff onto the stack. It shows in >>>> c now. >>> >>> I use for example C on my PCs and the Raspberry Pis I have. >>> C is yery portable, libraries and open source applications everywhere. >>> gcc is a nice compiler that supports many architectures. >>> Stuff I wrote for the PC in C comp[iles and runs on the Raspberries... >>> This Usenet newsreader I use now I wrote in the late nineties when moving to Linux >>> as there was no Free Agent for Linux... >>> Still using it, now posting from a Pi4 8 GB. >>> It uses linked lists, I have a database of Usenet postings going back to these days. >>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/index.html >>> There are some compatibility issues, but that is because the graphics library I use >>> had some changes, but can work around it. >>> More C code: >>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html >>> There is a simple 8052 assembler written in C on that webpage too. >>> And a z80 dissasembler . >>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/index.html >>> etc etc >>> My website is basic html. >>> >>> >> >> The guy who wrote the PDP-11 assembler said that it was really a >> language processor. We built several cross-assemblers as macros within >> the PDP-11 assembler, including the 6800, 6802, 6803, and 68332 >> processors. > > Steve Gibson of grc.com is heavily into PDP-8s and his site has a good > selection of info on 'em if anyone's interested. > >> Amazingly, Digikey will still sell you a 68332. > > Price? You could go to the Digikey website and look it up for yourself. Digikey Australia doesn't seem to stock it. Digikey in America lists an NXP part with a similar part number, but shows it as "no longer in production". John Larkin may be able to do better, but he didn't post a URL. Maybe he was relying on his memory of previous purchases. Not wise at his age. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney