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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: did this group die?
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:07:13 -0500
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On 11/3/2024 10:14 AM, Andrews wrote:
> Tom Elam wrote on Sun, 3 Nov 2024 08:18:59 -0500 :
> 
>> As a former long-time Android phone and tablet user and defender I can
>> postulate too. Android feature roll-outs and OS versions happened
>> slowly, if at all, and were very uneven across device brands. I never
>> got more than one OS version update on the many HTC, Moto and Samsung
>> devices I owned. I had to upgrade to get the latest, and even then new
>> phones often did not have the latest OS installed.]
> 
> FACTS. Not propaganda please.
> 
> You are wrong. More to the point, your data is old. It's no longer valid.
> You're five to ten years behind in all your data - so you're just wrong.
> 
> If you used Android only two or three years ago, you won't recognize
> Android of today because that's how much has changed in a short time.
> 
> a. The iPhone has far more bugs than Android now (and far more exploits!).
> b. The iPhone has far shorter operating system support than Android now.
> c. With respect to fragmentation, even that is very old data.
> 
> More Samsung devices alone are sold than iPhones are, where the
> "fragmentation" you decry doesn't exist if you stick with Pixels &
> Samsungs.
> 
> To complain that other brands provide valuable choices isn't really a fair
> complaint because you don't get ANY of those choices with Apple.
> 
> And Apple's puny five years of promised supprot pales in comparison to the
> Samsung and Pixel promise of seven years of full hotfix support.
> 
> Remember, of all common consumer operating systems, Apple is the only one
> with support so bad they only fully support a single release at a time.
> 
> Those are facts. Modern facts. Not facts from ten years ago.
> Those are facts from today.
> 
> You're welcome to form a strong opinion based on old data, but just say
> that your data doesn't take into account the reality of today's devices.
> 
>> I have had to replace a battery on my iPhone 14. That was because I
>> tried wireless charging in the car that overheated the phone. The
>> replacement was easy. I took it to the local Apple Store and they had it
>> back to me in 2 hours.
> 
> That's absurd. My Android debuted around the time of the iPhone 12, and
> it's still going strong. But it has a modern-sized battery.
> 
> No iPhone in the world has a batter as big as the one in my free phone.
> That's the main reason iPhone batteries need to be replaced more often.
> 
> Last we checked Apple replaces almost fifteen million batteries in the USA
> alone per year. Think about that. It's huge. Apple batteries are crap.
> 
> Not a single iPhone battery is even close in capacity to that of my free
> Android phone (which only retailed for about two hundred dollars MSRP).
> 
>> That was 6 months ago and battery life is still
>> 100%. The cost? $0. AppleCare+ took care of it.
> 
> Remember I said that the Apple trolls are ignorant? Remember?
> Guess what? How did you get that AppleCare+ without paying for it?
> 
>> No questions asked.
> 
> I have a question for you.
> 
> Since almost nobody on Android pays for any extra warranty, why do most
> Apple iPhone owners pay for AppleCare+ when it's never needed?
> 
> Think about that.
> 
> Apple owners are so terrified of the horrendous repair costs, that they'll
> pay any amount of subscription fees just to not have to worry about them.
>   
>> have owned iPhones and iPads since the iPhone 6s era. That's the only
>> battery replaced spanning 8 years and 6s, SE and 14 Pro versions.
> 
> The Apple iPads actually have decently sized batteries as it's only the
> iPhone that uses comically cheap chintzy batteries in terms of capacity.
> 
> Every time you replace a battery (and millions are replaced every year!),
> Apple is laughing at you AppleCare+ owners all the way to the bank.
> 
>> I'll never go back. There is no Android Store 15 minutes away. My phone
>> and tablet get annual OS updates on the day they are released, and
>> regular feature and security updates too that.
> 
> The one thing you're right about is that there is no such thing as an
> "Android Store", which nobody on Android needs - but iPhone owners do.
> 
> I have plenty of Apple devices and when I take them to the Genius Bar, the
> "Genius" at the Apple Store asks me what a Decibel is when I tell him that
> I teste the iPhone side-by-side with my free Samsung & the Wi-Fi stinks.
> 
> These "Genius" Bar employees don't know how things work in the real world
> as you can't test Wi-Fi without knowing what a Decibel means.
> 
> All the Genius Bar employees do is test the phone for basic stuff (like
> water penetration) and recommend a new iPhone if it fails their tests.
> 
> Remember, Apple lost the lawsuits for exactly that reason.
> 
> Even Apple didn't tell its Genius Bar employees that they purposefully
> lowered the life of the iPhone (which they paid a criminal fine for!).
> 
> Still... the free Apple Store Genius Bar (and free classes) are a nice
> touch because Apple knows owners are petrified by the complexity of tech.

I'm not impressed by your 15 million number. I cannot find any recent 
estimates. Please supply your source. It is known that some 15 million 
were replaced in about 2018 in the wake of the Iphone 6 fiasco.