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On 11/4/2024 6:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 12:59:13 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The US has always had exactly two political parties.  The big
>> advantage is that neither party want to split their votes between two
>> or more factions.  That's because neither of the two factions can
>> deliver enough votes to overthrow the opposing party that remained in
>> one piece.  There have been independent and third party movements
>> (i.e. Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996) that might have delivered a
>> functional third party, but in the end, he couldn't deliver the
>> required electoral votes.
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot>
>> "Perot did not win any electoral votes, but won over 19.7 million
>> votes for an 18.9% share of the popular vote."
> 
> 	Don't you think that's "unfair" ?
> 
> 	The Economist has a "democracy index" which weighs in all
> sorts of stuff, from the voter's access to real news and their
> educational level to how candidates are funded.
> 	You get more points if elected politician actually represent
> the people. Less votes if they just lobby for some company(which can
> even be foreign). More votes if people have access to the politician's
> real lives and motives, less points if the are heavily influenced by
> false propaganda.
> 	The US does not fare very well. In fact, it's not even
> classified as a "full democracy".
> 	And you can hardly call the "Economist" a communist or
> socialist enterprise. LOL. It's center-right.
> 
> 	"But it's in the Constitution" - just saying that lowers the
> score. The World has changed a LOT in over 100 years, and laws need to
> change to accompany that.
> 
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index>
> 	[]'s
> 
> 


Well, all human systems are imperfect, each in their own 
way.  Our two party accommodation is not a Constitutional 
mandate. In fact, the Framers eschewed parties, and wrote 
about that clearly and thoroughly.  Until they had to run an 
administration and parties developed quickly by 1800.

Other systems, such as random sudden changes of 
administration (UK) or the endless in-group/out-group 
herding of cats in the Knesset, or descriptions fail Italy, 
have their strong points. And their weak  ones. Name your 
poison and I'll stay here to watch.

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
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