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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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On 2024-11-04 23:56:46 +0000, olcott said:

> On 11/4/2024 5:42 PM, Andy Walker wrote:
>> On 04/11/2024 14:05, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> [...] The statement itself does not change
>>>>>>> when someone states it so there is no clear advantage in
>>>>>>> saying that the statement was not a lie until someone stated
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>     Disagree.  There is a clear advantage in distinguishing those
>>>>>> who make [honest] mistakes from those who wilfully mislead.
>>>>> That is not a disagreement.
>>>>     I disagree. [:-)]
>>> Then show how two statements about distinct topics can disagree.
>> 
>>     You've had the free, introductory five-minute argument;  the
>> half-hour argument has to be paid for. [:-)]
>> 
>>     [Perhaps more helpfully, "distinct" is your invention.  One same
>> statement can be either true or false, a mistake or a lie, depending on
>> the context (time. place and motivation) within which it is uttered.
>> Plenty of examples both in everyday life and in science, inc maths.  Eg,
>> "It's raining!", "The angles of a triangle sum to 180 degrees.", "The
>> Sun goes round the Earth.".  Each of those is true in some contexts, false
>> and a mistake in others, false and a lie in yet others.  English has clear
>> distinctions between these, which it is useful to maintain;  it is not
>> useful to describe them as "lies" in the absence of any context, eg when
>> the statement has not yet been uttered.]
> 
> No one here has ever been interested in truth (besides me).

Those who call you a liar want that truth be told more often than denied.

-- 
Mikko