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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: 2N=E Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:43:12 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <vgdhuv$1js8u$2@dont-email.me> References: <vb4rde$22fb4$2@solani.org> <vfu2qi$29m4j$2@dont-email.me> <84c1bb5d-67db-4d21-918a-f86cd1f815c5@att.net> <vfvefj$9264$2@solani.org> <ca84d22c-3684-4744-a145-a941bac4651f@att.net> <vg0iba$2q8fo$1@dont-email.me> <c2087013-5e5c-4e01-b356-29ffa484bfc2@att.net> <vg0p6j$2ra8e$1@dont-email.me> <vg0u81$2s8he$1@dont-email.me> <vg29sb$36ojr$3@dont-email.me> <vg2cb1$379th$1@dont-email.me> <vg2eqf$36ojq$9@dont-email.me> <vg2i33$38a2j$1@dont-email.me> <vg31uv$3b2rd$1@dont-email.me> <a3f1a8c045d260ea779c538c2f5a360631cb7d64@i2pn2.org> <vg5n8t$3sb7d$4@dont-email.me> <a4609d595975de654c01758fba3906e7cea16285@i2pn2.org> <vg7oe0$9ma8$7@dont-email.me> <ded233b7dedcb4e18af9f7f60e5c45c1a510bd44@i2pn2.org> <vg80mc$d2am$1@dont-email.me> <b429867dd2a0a5ebdcfdb71a2eaf7457bacfd879@i2pn2.org> <vgaa1n$t046$5@dont-email.me> <282974aaed1fcb8eae0c5d69ffb6ba39a1909b64@i2pn2.org> <vgb00p$11df6$2@dont-email.me> <55737882c19ea6d576a04e71473a1cd87a15bb7b@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2024 17:43:11 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7a5c3d5bd5beaedc8f6221c54ec21ecb"; logging-data="1700126"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX193qwe5Rv19qB1g9S3WpGi9siQ8YVa7npI=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dYEqRksk60OFl0Npc2nh+lwDjXI= In-Reply-To: <55737882c19ea6d576a04e71473a1cd87a15bb7b@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3114 On 05.11.2024 04:08, Richard Damon wrote: > On 11/4/24 12:24 PM, WM wrote: >> On 04.11.2024 13:26, Richard Damon wrote: >> >>> Yes, we know if you will double them again, as we started with the >>> assumption that we double ALL the number, and any even number will be >>> reached from doubling the number that is one half of it and will be >>> doubled again. >> >> Please mark the sentence which you suspect to be wrong: >> >> - All natural numbers exist. >> - The even numbers have only half of the substance(*) of the integers. > > Not a valid statement, as half of infinity is still infinity. Substance means number obtained from limit: 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, ... --> 1/2. > >> - Multiplication of all elements of a set does not change the substance. >> >> (*) For every interval (0, 2n] the number E of even natnumbers is half >> of the number N of natnumbers: E/N = 1/2. For (0, oo] we obtain the >> limit of the sequence 1/2, 1/2, 1/2, ... which is 1/2. This is the >> ratio of the substances or, as Cantor called it, the reality. > > In other words, your logic can only deal with finite subsets of the > infinite set It deals with limits. Regards, WM