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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Zen Cycle <funkmaster@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Facebook Account Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 09:00:39 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 113 Message-ID: <vgfsq8$1k0ml$16@dont-email.me> References: <oKJzO.52698$jia4.2041@fx18.iad> <9q4vcjhaj0nti7j1p7boasakb4q86vh6qr@4ax.com> <vao6qd$3jf9v$1@dont-email.me> <ra9vcjlqq3s4cfou45131sj1cafc266ir6@4ax.com> <vaoa3r$3l430$1@dont-email.me> <v8q0djdctmcl2s4n7c7f5jhno9abt0afq6@4ax.com> <jnSVO.336351$kxD8.179760@fx11.iad> <c92iijdf49p2kup0gk47s3av6nq27i0fi6@4ax.com> <nfbiij55vaf9omfa0a12v68e9504svbqk4@4ax.com> <hfkiij14uffaqc5nnbdckftp371b04gjl2@4ax.com> <o74jijhdsppnf4ea2vkfpeegaktbip3j4q@4ax.com> <brclij58urvdbl8ao9akgrgihpoiqavadg@4ax.com> <vgegto$1pmml$1@dont-email.me> <vgfm99$1k0ml$6@dont-email.me> <vgfr4b$24qi4$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2024 15:00:40 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="75bc17f8d22fa2aceda959ac4597a6ea"; logging-data="1704661"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+wT03UZ+A5oHdz9bV8GQcsWahDfr1Z4mY=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:gW46cgCB+w4LkKeDlCTKwH5zaDw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vgfr4b$24qi4$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 7671 On 11/6/2024 8:31 AM, AMuzi wrote: > On 11/6/2024 6:09 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >> On 11/5/2024 8:31 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>> On 11/5/2024 6:33 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>> On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 20:17:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 20:15:44 -0300, Shadow <Sh@dow.br> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Our biggest threat to democracy is the media/social media's >>>>>> #FAKE_NEWS. That with a very poor public education. The people will >>>>>> believe anything... >>>>> >>>>> Maybe this will explain how it works. I don't recall who told me this >>>>> story. Most likely my parents, aunts or uncles. >>>>> >>>>> My ancestors were mostly from Poland and Russia. Up to the early 19th >>>>> century, they didn't travel more than about 80km (50 miles) from home >>>>> for their entire lives. As is common in rural environments, strange >>>>> people and strange ideas are treated with suspicion. That created a >>>>> problem when they didn't know whom or what to believe. Communications >>>>> and transportation was sufficiently lacking that "seeing is believing" >>>>> was ineffective. Nobody believed what someone else claimed to have >>>>> seen. Instead, it was replaced by "hearing is believing", which meant >>>>> that people believed and trusted the local authority figure. It could >>>>> be a village elder, rabbi, priest, teacher or other recognized >>>>> authority. None of these had personally seen anything, but the weight >>>>> of their authority was sufficient to make people listen and believe >>>>> their version of reality. >>>>> >>>>> It's not so different today. Instead of a choice between believing >>>>> what one sees and hears, it's now a choice between what we have read >>>>> on social media or viewed on YouTube. The problem of "who to trust" >>>>> is also the same. However, instead of 2 choices, we now have hundreds >>>>> of "influencers" bombarding us with their view of reality, which is >>>>> typically just propaganda. The problem isn't that people will believe >>>>> "anything" but rather that they'll believe "everything" without any >>>>> guidelines, education, reference, sources, authorities, etc that they >>>>> can trust to help separate the truth from the propaganda. Most >>>>> politicians have given up on trying to appear honest and simply adjust >>>>> their advocacy and promises to conform what their audience considers >>>>> acceptable. The mob no longer follows the leader. Instead, the >>>>> leader follows whatever the mob might want. >>>>> >>>>> Social media and such are not threats to democracy. They are threats >>>>> to the republican form of government, where we elect representatives >>>>> to represent our opinions to the government. The problem is the >>>>> representatives don't use the same criteria for judgment that is used >>>>> by those who elected them to office. Politicians favor anything that >>>>> will enrich them and their friends through contributions and favors. >>>>> I've been involved in meetings with elected officials that make me >>>>> suspect that they are very badly informed about the issues that put >>>>> them in office and very well informed on the sources of cash and >>>>> influence that keep them in office. >>>> >>>> I sort of disagree with you. Psychopaths behind companies like >>>> X (ex-twitter), Meta, Google, Amakon and others more or less define >>>> who/what people vote for. Old fashioned media like newspapers and TV >>>> have some influence, but less, because they announce news for >>>> everyone. Social media carefully tailors news for each individual. >>>> An example? Brekshit....Facebook and Cambridge Analytica made >>>> people vote for something they didn't even understand. Note the people >>>> behind the scandal were all right-wing. I'm not sure if I should laugh >>>> at or feel sorry for people that think that Zukerberg and Bezos are >>>> "communists". Sure, they want the State to confiscate Meta and Amakon >>>> <implicit sarcasm> >>>> They say that Musk might even destroy the US as you know it >>>> now. Depends on how much he influenced the vote. Musk is a right-wing >>>> fascist, and privately - sometime publicly - defends dictatorships. >>>> Enough gullible idiots, and those psychopaths could vote a >>>> pumpkin into office. >>>> Your problem is that people in your social circle are >>>> probably more intelligent than the national average. Harder to con. >>>> Usually think before giving an opinion. In my line of work I had >>>> contact with all sorts. >>>> Believe me, the average human is very stupid...and >>>> trusting(did I just plagiarize Zukerberg?) >>>> []'s >>>>> >>>>> Hint: I can fix anything if I know how it works. I really believe >>>>> that and study how things really work before I try to fix them. That >>>>> also applies to government and the economy. We're not going to be >>>>> able to fix the government or economy until we have a good >>>>> understanding of how they work. The schools are trying, but the >>>>> problem has grown faster than the curriculum can keep up. >>> >>> Words matter. Or ought to, anyway. >>> >>> Fascist are of the left. The National Socialist Party was indeed >>> socialist, and they would know. The original was created by Mussolini >>> after the Great War as an extension of The Futurists, all of a piece >>> with socialist theory. Franco, supported by Germany and Italy, was >>> also a fascist of the left. His opponents were of the right- the >>> Crown and the Church. >>> >>> Oh, and Mr Musk is not among them. >> >> He is now - soon to be the head of trumps newest cabinet position: >> Secretary of Oligarchy. >> >> >> > > I was just plain wrong in the post cited above. I apologize. > > I deleted it after my ride this morning but not before you replied, > making my mistake immortal. > The internet never forgets :) -- Add xx to reply