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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Politically sensitive study Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2024 16:33:12 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 36 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vggqr8$2a6i6$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="76937"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Pk9Kzb8ucOtFog/pa60MhdN9Tgw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id D4D87229782; Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:33:21 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE918229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 06 Nov 2024 17:33:19 -0500 (EST) id 4D15B5DF9B; Wed, 6 Nov 2024 22:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 261DC5DF99 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 6 Nov 2024 22:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF645F88D for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 6 Nov 2024 22:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/ABF645F88D; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 32EE3DC01A9; Wed, 6 Nov 2024 23:33:14 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2024 23:33:13 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19bRUjedluqL3jdlSrvBQ8HsO0oYHZKNEA= Content-Language: en-US FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4550 https://www.science.org/content/article/politically-sensitive-study-india-looks-dna-track-ancient-migrations India is literally digging up part of their history that they probably do not want to face. The data on the origins of the Aryans may not be what those in political power want as their history. They are going to isolate the DNA out of these old bones and find out. Maybe as far back as the 1990's. It may have been when I was post docing between 1993 and 1996, but I can't recall. A research paper used genetic markers to do the type of genetic relationship population genetics that 23 and Me routinely does, but for the Japanese population. They did not have very many markers, but there were enough to come to some conclusions. The research uncovered what was not acceptable to the Japanese researchers involved in the study and they had their names removed from the publication. The genetics uncovered something that is not in the official history of the origin of the Samurai. What hadn't seemed to be admitted to was that some lord got banished to Hokkaido, but eventually came back, likely with an army, and took back his fife and expanded his holdings. It turned out that those modern Japanese claiming Samurai ancestry (like my family) had genetics that had obviously come from Hokkaido. They also had skeletal features that linked them to the Ainu people of Hokkaido that had been treated like second class citizens. The Japanese researchers did not want to be involved in a publication that linked the revered Samurai class with the lowly Ainu. Both my mother's and father's families claim to be Samurai, and they have similar family crests. Their claimed pedigrees share some of the same Samurai ancestors. Both families lived in Hiroshima before my grand parents immigrated to America. 23 and Me has designated me as Japanese from Hiroshima, and they also claim that I have genetics that came from Hokkaido. The Indians may not find what they want to find. Ron Okimoto