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From: Rich <rich@example.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Netnews: The Origin Story
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 16:19:53 -0000 (UTC)
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Wolfgang Agnes <wagnes@jemoni.to> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> writes:
> 
>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>> 
>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Nov 2024, Rich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> This is the truth!  As a thought experiment I sometimes think 
>>>>>>> about how I would be able to handle usenet if it had 10x the nr 
>>>>>>> of posts, and I don't think I would.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been there, seen that....  Circa 1995 (I forget which groups now) 
>>>>>> the text posting volume was so great in the few groups I was 
>>>>>> following that it was not possible to keep up.  I was always 
>>>>>> behind, and falling further behind each day.  Eventually the fall 
>>>>>> behind problem reached a point where I decided to just drop out.  
>>>>>> So I disappeared for a good ten years or so.  Of course, when I 
>>>>>> did return again, Usenet was a shadow of its former self as far as 
>>>>>> text posting rates go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would have to be either a laser focus on a very small nr of 
>>>>>>> groups, or aggressive filtering of the subject lines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One did have to do both, and even so, the volume was impossible to 
>>>>>> keep up with if the group was at all active.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an interesting problem. How is it solved in modern social media?
>>>>
>>>> If by "modern social media" you mean the likes of FB and its ilk, 
>>>> presumably by having "the algorithm" showing you stuff, and then you 
>>>> just doom scroll through the algorithm driven feed.  And if stuff 
>>>> does not get put on your feed, you are unaware of its existance.
>>>>
>>> 
>>> Ah, so probably just setting some keywords in my client and filter based 
>>> on those. Not a very satisfactory solution.
>>
>> Except with "modern social media" you (the user) don't get to "just 
>> set[ting] some keywords" for the "algorithm".  The "algorithm" does it 
>> all for you by magic.  Which, unfortunately, leaves you at the mercy of 
>> the allmighty "algorithm" as to what you see, and provides a great 
>> opportunity for the "algorithm" to bias your world view into whatever 
>> its creators want your world view to be by selective showing or 
>> omission of various posts to your feed.
> 
> In other words, it's unacceptable---period.

Indeed, yes.  With a user-local killfile (i.e., the Usenet client 
method) then you, the user, is explicitly deciding what you want to 
exclude (or include, as most modern clients implement the 'kill' as a 
score so one can up/down articles if one wants).

But with the allmightly algorithm, you are at the mercy of your 
corporate overlords.

Sadly, as most social media users are very similar to the humans on the 
spaceship on the cartoon Wall-E, they are lazy and want "someone else" 
to do all the work for them, expecting them to put in the even minimal 
effort to curate their own local 'killfile' is likely too much to 
expect.