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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: 7% of dairy workers at infected farms seropositive for the dairy virus Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 15:38:31 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vgjc0o$2qqd5$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="12344"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:qK+/tTFXbMPW0reNF2YQHmUuWHk= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 18328229782; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:38:40 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBEE229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 16:38:37 -0500 (EST) id 7641D5DF9B; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 534F95DF99 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA0AC5F88E for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 21:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/DA0AC5F88E; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 67AA9DC01A9; Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:38:33 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2024 22:38:33 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18+5XIcbX2ZkXR9EE6rLcwz363oyMJ9dJg= Content-Language: en-US FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5789 https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7344a3.htm?s_cid=mm7344a3_w Michigan and Colorado did a "convenience" sampling (without regard to the person showing symptoms at infected dairy farms. 115 people were tested and 8 of them were found to be more seropositive than the Missouri case (positive for 2 of the 3 assays instead of just one). If you have been following my posts on this subject I have contended since early in the dairy epidemic that around 5% dairy workers infected could account for the spread between herds and to poultry flocks. These workers would be shedding virus, and it would not have to survive on equipment (only infective for 24 hours) or skin and clothing (infective for less than 30 minutes). The contact tracing in California just demonstrated that it was likely the dairy workers were taking the virus to other dairies and poultry farms. Now these test results indicate that they should have been running contact tracing from the very beginning as I have always claimed. It should be noted that the first Michigan survey that got negative seropositive testing biased their sample to those dairy workers that had not exhibited symptoms. They also did not include the positive control of the known infected dairy worker. QUOTE: This finding supports the need to identify and implement strategies to prevent transmission among dairy cattle to reduce worker exposures and for education and outreach to dairy workers concerning prevention, symptoms, and where to seek medical care if the workers develop symptoms. Timely identification of infected herds can support rapid initiation of monitoring, testing, and treatment for human illness, including mild illness, among exposed dairy workers. END QUOTE: This is what I have always claimed, and what the CDC and USDA have refused to recognize from the beginning of the dairy epidemic. Both agencies refused to attempt to identify all the infected herds. It is sad that it has taken this long for them to admit that they have been wrong, and that there should be an effort to identify all the infected herds to decrease the risk of infection of dairy workers. The more workers infected the more likely the virus will become the next pandemic virus. The poultry industry has lost millions of birds to the dairy virus, and there is the possibility that egg prices will go up like they did last time because the CDC and USDA would not act and do what should have been done. It isn't wild birds this time, but dairy cattle and dairy workers spreading the virus. Infected dairy workers explains how dairy herds in states that did not get cattle were infected, and they knew that dairy workers could be infected and shed live virus from the first human case in Texas where they were able to isolate live virus and culture it. It also should be noted that months ago research was put out that 2 out of 14 Texas dairy workers tested seropositive for the dairy virus, but the CDC has never recognized those individuals as having been infected. Both seropositive workers came from the same farm and one of them did not have contact with cattle (the person worked in the dairy cafeteria) raising the possibility that there was human to human transmission. Ron Okimoto