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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 02:51:21 +0000
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On 08/11/2024 00:57, Peter Flass wrote:
> rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:40:50 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>>> Spending 8 hours a day including 3 hours of coffee and lunch breaks
>>> doens't compare with digging up ten tons of soil and wheel barrowing it
>>> to a donkey cart to build a Roman road.
>>
>> I worked one summer for a contractor building a new development. Most of
>> the work was building leach fields which required pushing wheelbarrows of
>> gravel along 2x12 planks to dump in the ditches. In would drive to work
>> morning using my palms on the steering wheel since it took a while for my
>> fingers to work.
>>
>> Other tasks were little better, strictly grunt work. It could have been
>> 1960 or 196 AD.
>>
> 
> I was thinking more of the small merchant or craftsman. Live above the
> shop, no commute. Do some work in the morning, go to the games in the
> afternoon. About the equivalent work week to what we have - two days off a
> week, although randomly distributed.
> 
The vast majority of people in mediaeval and Roman Britain were peasants 
pure and simple. Bluesmock workers.

To have a trade or be in trade and be part of a guild was a huge step up 
to the middle classes  was being a servant in the Lords manor house.

Or you could become a monk.
No worries, cradle to the grave socialism, but not much in the way of 
food, no shagging (officially) and an awful lot of god bothering. But 
you learnt to read and write




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