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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.games.frp.dnd Subject: Re: edition wars Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 05:29:36 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: <vgl3o0$37bmm$2@dont-email.me> References: <vf2kna$9cq3$1@dont-email.me> <6715e0ca$1$3068692$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> <dmpchjt25i452ivj5vvtbttsjiu1trplkp@4ax.com> <vf7kmb$1cv4o$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2024 14:29:37 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="004d17c96a6486da5016e940a291fb6c"; logging-data="3387094"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187H70crYdfsCEwXRJmiCGbTN1VwdtEtJU=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:s8yVc4CJdo/wkuFAL54De6qMqjk= In-Reply-To: <vf7kmb$1cv4o$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2398 On 10/22/2024 12:36 AM, David Chmelik wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:01:29 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson wrote: >> You can't really hold up 1E and then say 2E is worse because of the >> system itself. > > People do because removed assassins, monks, etc... if bards, cavaliers, > druids, rangers, thief-acrobats weren't removed, were significantly > changed... Dungeon Master Guide (DMG) was significantly shortened, > removing much good material. That's why my AD&D DM retained everything > from AD&D 1e and used what he wanted from 2e. The point is by removing > relevant material, it basically became a variant--like mostly a subset > (smaller part of original with minor changes). The fact it was a money- > grab by new CEO (gamers in general hated, because she considered them > beneath her) after they got rid of the original D&D creators, is well- > documented. That doesn't make it bad to play if one allows older > compatible rules. Just, on their own, new editions overall got worse. My best campaigns were in 2e. I too used the 1e DMG to add certain bits back in though. I have to say the layouts and readability of 2e was better than any version before or after it. -- -Justisaur ø-ø (\_/)\ `-'\ `--.___, ¶¬'\( ,_.-' \\ ^'