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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:43:15 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <vglf32$396r8$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <0e67005f-120e-4b3b-a4d2-ec4bbc1c5662@att.net> <vgab11$st52$3@dont-email.me> <ecffc7c0-05a2-42df-bf4c-8ae3c2f809d6@att.net> <vgb0ep$11df5$4@dont-email.me> <35794ceb-825a-45df-a55b-0a879cfe80ae@att.net> <vgfgpo$22pcv$1@dont-email.me> <40ac3ed2-5648-48c0-ac8f-61bdfd1c1e20@att.net> <vgg57o$25ovs$2@dont-email.me> <71fea361-0069-4a98-89a4-6de2eef62c5e@att.net> <vggh9v$27rg8$3@dont-email.me> <ff2c4d7c-33b4-4aad-a6b2-88799097b86b@att.net> <vghuoc$2j3sg$1@dont-email.me> <d79e791d-d670-4a5a-bd26-fdf72bcde6bc@att.net> <vgj4lk$2ova9$3@dont-email.me> <f154138e-4482-4267-9332-151e2fd9f1ba@att.net> <vgkoi7$b5pp$1@solani.org> <d780ead415ff3a62ccd9b606bcd743fea3d8002c@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2024 17:43:15 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8f24a0f18e18f8248033fdccde6b2e84"; logging-data="3447656"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX196x/AE83OaQ+oCAKj99LH8Y3/FHYRzbII=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:OPvx/nJhAJbFXPDnyUjIv82/ZU4= In-Reply-To: <d780ead415ff3a62ccd9b606bcd743fea3d8002c@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3120 On 08.11.2024 13:28, Richard Damon wrote: > On 11/8/24 5:18 AM, WM wrote: >> My understanding of mathematics and geometry is that reordering cannot >> increase the measure (only reduce it by overlapping). This is a basic >> axiom which will certainly be agreed to by everybody not conditioned >> by matheology. But there is also an analytical proof: Every reordering >> of any finite set of intervals does not increase their measure. The >> limit of a constant sequence is this constant however. >> >> This geometrical consequence of Cantor's theory has, to my knowledge, >> never been discussed. By the way I got the idea after a posting of >> yours: Each of {...,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,...} is the midpoint of an interval. > which makes the error that the properties of finite objects apply to the > infinite objects, which isn't true, and what just breaks your logic. The infinite of the real axis is a big supply but an as big drain. > > You take it as a given, but that just means that your logic is unable to > actually handle the infinite. I take it as evident that intervals of the measure 1/5 of the positive real axis will not, by any shuffling, cover the real axis completely, let alone infinitely often. I think who believes this is a deplorable fanatic if not a fool. Regards, WM