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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
 new basis ---Breakthrough ?
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 19:28:09 -0600
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On 11/9/2024 6:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/9/24 6:43 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/9/2024 2:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/9/24 3:01 PM, olcott wrote:
>>
>> On 11/3/2024 12:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>  > On 11/3/24 9:39 AM, olcott wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >> The finite string input to HHH specifies that HHH
>>  >> MUST EMULATE ITSELF emulating DDD.
>>  >
>>  > Right, and it must CORRECTLY determine what an unbounded
>>  > emulation of that input would do, even if its own programming
>>  > only lets it emulate a part of that.
>>  >
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am saying that HHH does need to do the infinite emulation itself, 
>>>>> but 
>>>>
>>>> Right and it doesn't.
>>>
>>> But doesn't give the required answer, which is based on something 
>>> doing it.
>>>
>>
>> The unaborted emulation of DDD by HHH DOES NOT HALT.
>> *Maybe I have to dumb it down some more*
> 
> But that isn't the HHH that you are talking about.
> 
> It seems, you don't understand that in a given evaluation, HHH and DDD 
> are FIXED PROGRAM.
> 
>>
>> HHH predicts what would happen if no HHH ever aborted
>> its emulation of DDD. This specific DDD never halts
>> even if it stops running due to out-of-memory error.
>>
> 
> In other words, it tries to predict what some OTHER version of the 
> program DDD would do if it was based on some OTHER version of HHH, 

*Yes just like you agreed that it should*

On 11/3/2024 12:20 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
 > Right, and it must CORRECTLY determine what an unbounded
 > emulation of that input would do,
 > even if its own programming only lets it emulate a part of that.

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