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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of logic reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- infallibly correct
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:45:15 +0200
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On 2024-11-09 17:02:02 +0000, olcott said:

> On 11/9/2024 10:03 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/9/2024 5:01 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/24 12:25 PM, olcott wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That formal systems that only apply truth preserving operations
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to expressions of their formal language that have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stipulated to be true cannot possibly be undecidable is proven
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be over-your-head on the basis that you have no actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning as a rebuttal.
>>>> Gödel showed otherwise.
>> 
>>> That is counter-factual within my precise specification.
>> 
>> That's untrue - you don't have a precise specification.  And even if you
>> did, Gödel's theorem would still hold.
>> 
>>> When truth is only derived by starting with
>>> truth and applying truth preserving operations
>>> then unprovable in PA becomes untrue in PA.
>> 
>> No.  Unprovable will remain.
> 
> *Like I said you don't pay f-cking attention*

which is the root cause of many of your errors.

-- 
Mikko