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Subject: Re: Degrees of Seperation!!
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The True loon lost it again:

> On 10/11/2024 11:03, The Last Doctor wrote:
>> Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The True Doctor wrote on 10/11/24 6:47 am:
>>> <Snip>
>>> 
>>>> My local MP knows Keir Starmer and Keir Starmer congratulated Donald
>>>> Trump after he was elected US president for the second time.
>>>> 
>>>> Keir Starmer showed himself to be a despotic dictator from the day he
>>>> was elected by sacking 6 MPs who opposed him taking pensioners winter
>>>> fuel payments away so that they could die for pneumonia meaning he
>>>> wouldn't have to pay them their pensions for much longer.
>>>> 
>>>> Another despotic dictator was Adolf Hitler and through Keir Starmer
>>>> Donald Trump is linked to Adolf Hitler.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe Kamala Harris should have thought of that before making false
>>>> accusations against Donald Trump.
>>>> 
>>>> By accepting Labour campaigner interference in the US presidential
>>>> election Kamala Harris also supported the election of Adolf Hitler as
>>>> Germany's Chancellor and his elevation to President.
>>>> 
>>>> Prove me wrong!
>>>> 
>>> Gee Whiz!! How does THIS garbage follow on from my post .... which I've
>>> deleted from this reply to try to reduce the cross-infection!!
>> 
>> Wow, even by Aggie’s standards that’s an insane rant, and full of lies and
>> errors.
> 
> There might have been some minor errors but there were no lies. Are you 
> trying to tell me that calling Adolf Hitler a despotic dictator is a lie?
> 
>> 
>> I’m no fan of Kier Starmer but the seven (not 6) MPs who were suspended
>> (not sacked) from the Labour Party for 6 months were penalised for ignoring
>> the whip on not removing the 2 child cap on child benefit (not the winter
>> fuel allowance). That’s a common thing for British parliamentary parties to
>> do, it’s a yellow card for not toeing the party line. If the 7 had
>> abstained in the voting (like 42 other Labour members) rather than opposing
>> the government, they would not have been subject to the discipline.
>> 
>> It’s a rather odd sort of punishment - all it means is that the MPs have to
>> be treated as independent members and aren’t officially part of the
>> Governing party for the duration.
>> 
>> Boris Johnson suspended 21 MPs for voting against the Government on an EU
>> motion in 2019. The Tory government since the 2019 general election
>> withdrew the whip permanently from 18 members in 2020-2023, with the result
>> that independent ex-Tories outnumbered the Lib Dems as the fourth largest
>> “bloc” in Parliament in 2023-2024.
>> 
>> So accusing Starmer of being a despotic dictator is a lunatic stretch to
>> begin with. As for the rest -Christ on a crutch. There are no words.
>> 
> 
> Stop with the nonsensical word salad and obfuscation.
> 
> Did he or did he not take away the winter fuel payments from old age 
> pensioners?
> 
> Regardless of whether it was 6 or 7 MPs that he sacked and what it was 
> for, or who else carried out similar actions the past, Starmer proved 
> himself to be a tyrant and a despot. By this action he used threats, 
> blackmail, fear and intimidation in order to control the votes of 
> elected members of parliament. These are the actions of a dictator.
> 
> Starmer took away pensioners' winter fuel payments knowing that without 
> them they would be more likely to die of the cold and therefore he would 
> not have to keep paying their pensions. Then after that he decided to 
> wreak more vengeance on the people that voted for him and those who did 
> not by putting up taxes to the tune of £40 billion, in the biggest cash 
> grab in history, despite being warned by experts that this would destroy 
> the economy, cause businesses to go bust or leave the country, and force 
> people to lose their jobs.
> 
> Starmer just as George Orwell predicted in "1984" also tried to redefine 
> the term "working people" so that it could only have one precise meaning 
> that could not be used to argue against his English Socialist party's, 
> (Ingsoc in newspeak, Scottish Labour being Scotsoc) ideology.
> 
> A working person is no longer someone who works for a living but someone 
> who receives a monthly pay check but has no savings over a tenner in the 
> bank to pay for an emergency, does not have any property, and does not 
> own any shares. This basically means that almost no one in the country 
> who is not homeless and destitute is a working person, even if they have 
> a job.
> 
> Keir Starmer is a socialist dictator just like Adolf Hitler, Benito 
> Mussolini, and Joseph Stalin. And don't deny that any of these were 
> socialists. George Orwell wrote Animal Farm and 1984 to warn people of 
> the dangers of socialism, basing Ingsoc on the Nazis or National 
> Socialist German Worker's Party, and Keir Starmer has proven his warning 
> to be true.
> 

Oh, look. Aggy’s shifted his goalposts from “Starmer sacked six
MPs in order to cut winter fuel payments,” to “Starmer cut winter
fuel payments in order to meet Orwell’s definition of a socialist.”

And, of course he was wrong both times. What a surprise!

-- 
solar penguin