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From: solar penguin <solar.penguin@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Degrees of Seperation!!
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:31:15 -0000 (UTC)
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Blueshirt brought forth:

> solar penguin wrote:
>  
>> The True loon lost it again:
>> 
>>> On 10/11/2024 11:03, The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’m no fan of Kier Starmer but the seven (not 6) MPs who
>>>> were suspended (not sacked) from the Labour Party for 6
>>>> months were penalised for ignoring the whip on not removing
>>>> the 2 child cap on child benefit (not the winter fuel
>>>> allowance). That’s a common thing for British parliamentary
>>>> parties to do, it’s a yellow card for not toeing the party
>>>> line. If the 7 had abstained in the voting (like 42 other
>>>> Labour members) rather than opposing the government, they
>>>> would not have been subject to the discipline. It’s a
>>>> rather odd sort of punishment - all it means is that the MPs
>>>> have to be treated as independent members and aren’t
>>>> officially part of the Governing party for the duration.
>>>> Boris Johnson suspended 21 MPs for voting against the
>>>> Government on an EU motion in 2019. The Tory government
>>>> since the 2019 general election withdrew the whip
>>>> permanently from 18 members in 2020-2023, with the result
>>>> that independent ex-Tories outnumbered the Lib Dems as the
>>>> fourth largest “bloc” in Parliament in 2023-2024.  >> 
>>>> So accusing Starmer of being a despotic dictator is a
>>>> lunatic stretch to begin with. As for the rest -Christ on a
>>>> crutch. There are no words. 
>>> 
>>> Stop with the nonsensical word salad and obfuscation.
>>> 
>>> Did he or did he not take away the winter fuel payments from
>>> old age pensioners?
>>> 
>>> Regardless of whether it was 6 or 7 MPs that he sacked and
>>> what it was for, or who else carried out similar actions the
>>> past, Starmer proved himself to be a tyrant and a despot. By
>>> this action he used threats, blackmail, fear and
>>> intimidation in order to control the votes of elected
>>> members of parliament. These are the actions of a dictator.
>>> 
>>> Starmer took away pensioners' winter fuel payments knowing
>>> that without them they would be more likely to die of the
>>> cold and therefore he would not have to keep paying their
>>> pensions. Then after that he decided to wreak more vengeance
>>> on the people that voted for him and those who did not by
>>> putting up taxes to the tune of £40 billion, in the biggest
>>> cash grab in history, despite being warned by experts that
>>> this would destroy the economy, cause businesses to go bust
>>> or leave the country, and force people to lose their jobs.
>>> 
>>> Starmer just as George Orwell predicted in "1984" also tried
>>> to redefine the term "working people" so that it could only
>>> have one precise meaning that could not be used to argue
>>> against his English Socialist party's, (Ingsoc in newspeak,
>>> Scottish Labour being Scotsoc) ideology.
>>> 
>>> A working person is no longer someone who works for a living
>>> but someone who receives a monthly pay check but has no
>>> savings over a tenner in the bank to pay for an emergency,
>>> does not have any property, and does not own any shares.
>>> This basically means that almost no one in the country who
>>> is not homeless and destitute is a working person, even if
>>> they have a job.
>>> 
>>> Keir Starmer is a socialist dictator just like Adolf Hitler,
>>> Benito Mussolini, and Joseph Stalin. And don't deny that any
>>> of these were socialists. George Orwell wrote Animal Farm
>>> and 1984 to warn people of the dangers of socialism, basing
>>> Ingsoc on the Nazis or National Socialist German Worker's
>>> Party, and Keir Starmer has proven his warning to be true. 
>> 
>> Oh, look. Aggy’s shifted his goalposts 
> 
> Agamemnon shift goal posts?! Surely not.

And as usual he doesn’t even seem to be aware that he’s doing
it. It’s ironic that Aggy’s a fan of Orwell, since he’s a master of
doublethink!

> 
>> from “Starmer sacked six MPs in order to cut winter fuel 
>> payments,” to “Starmer cut winter fuel payments in order to
>> meet Orwell’s definition of a socialist.”
> 
> I don't know what Keir Starmer does or doesn't do over there

That’s OK, Aggy doesn’t seem to know either.

-- 
solar penguin