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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:18:14 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 11/5/2024 10:53 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>> On 11/5/2024 10:25 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 11/5/2024 8:47 AM, Zen Cycle wrote:
>>>> On 11/5/2024 9:32 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 11/4/2024 9:05 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 7:07 PM, Shadow wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     "But it's in the Constitution" - just saying that 
>>>>>>> lowers the
>>>>>>> score. The World has changed a LOT in over 100 years, 
>>>>>>> and laws need to
>>>>>>> change to accompany that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I occasionally encounter people who treat the U.S. 
>>>>>> Constitution as perfection itself, and as a holy 
>>>>>> document That Must Never Be Criticized.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But despite its revisions (AKA amendments) I think it's 
>>>>>> got serious flaws. As evidence, there are now hundreds 
>>>>>> of nations with constitutions. Not one has duplicated 
>>>>>> the U.S. Constitution. All have at least attempted to 
>>>>>> improve on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With mixed success. I give you the overwhelmingly 
>>>>> adopted 18th Amendment, the only one more destructive 
>>>>> than the 17th.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change for its own sake is not always positive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An amendment defining the structure of the senate is the 
>>>> 2nd most destructive?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It removed the State legislatures from the process. That's 
>>> a big change, as reflected by candidates' positions and 
>>> campaign strategies and of course who is elected.
>> 
>> Wait, so you're saying the state legislatures should have 
>> the exclusive authority to appoint senators, regardless of 
>> the will of the people?
>> 
>> I'm having difficulty seeing how the people electing 
>> senators is "destructive".
>> 
>
>For the same reason that pattern and practice of elections 
>is the sole plenary duty of the legislature, not referenda, 
>not by one official elected or appointed.
>
>The Framers preferred a deliberative process for many 
>decisions (by no means all) and we differ, as much now as 
>then, about where those lines should be drawn.
 
Diminished state sovereignty, which increased the federal government’s
powers.  

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C'est bon
Soloman