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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: It doesn't matter who is 'moshiach' it matters what is good.
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:30:10 -0000 (UTC)
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 title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
 source: Rav Avraham Shira
 link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-elju9ar8&t=272s

   Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
   'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
   Exact text below in quotes.

   Reply ...

The masses are idolatrous, including Israel and their Rabbis, and I
think this causes some people to then take these idolatrous ideas and
feelings - which are usually quite childish - and apply those feelings
to themselves. Like so: _the masses just want "someone who is fairly
nice & honest" to be their King and god, and since I know I care and
am fairly honest, then I guess that applies to me._ It is a similar
thing as "being possessed" only happens in Catholic areas, because
they believe in it. Then when people get under great stress, they start
living these superstitions and weirdness of their surrounding culture,
and interpret what is happening to them through that lense. Example:
if you hear voices in Catholic areas, you are possessed by the devil
(probably), while if you hear voices in Protestant areas or just less
religious or scientific oriented areas (secular), probably your brain
was malfunctioning somehow, and you do not think you are possessed. You
then get treated differently and treat yourself differently as well. The
surrounding culture is creating these events.

What you guys are probably doing, is taking these simplistic childish
feelings and ideas of the people, their need to have a big father
again and not take care of things themselves, and you apply that to
yourself. You think that is it, and then you follow that line of thought
of the people through, which is that this fairly nice and caring person
becomes the King and everyone will live happy ever after. If you go even
full out on it, you may believe you are talking to the Creator himself
(which notably is a death penalty in the Torah if you claim that, but
your predictions do not come true, something to remember I guess). A
lot of people get told as children that there is a god in their head
they can talk to, and so they believe that, true or false.

This then becomes the whole thing in their minds: they are fairly
honest and caring (not liars, just as you say, not liars at all),
they want the best thing for everyone, and then just run with this
idea that is in that culture and apply it to themselves - which may be
fairly reasonable. Reasonable, not according to the Torah really, but
according to these vague feelings of the people, who themselves rarely
if ever care about the Torah (the Rabbis stopped caring about the Torah
some 21+ centuries ago when they overthrew the Jubilee on land with the
lie recorded in Rambam Shemita 10:8, I guess that says enough). Nobody
really cares about the law and the Torah, and so all that remains of
all this is the vague emotions of idolatry of the people, including the
jewish people. Very much including them.

They - the Jewish people - are quite idolatrous and they worship their
Rabbis, their Rebbes, their Sages. Everything these people say they take
as absolute facts with or without proof, it doesn't matter to them. They
have the tendency to think that _their_ Rabbi will be 'moshiach'. It
is idolatry, they are a strongly idolatrous people. This is potentially
one of their biggest problems. They ignore the Torah, and worship some
idols who go against it, and that doesn't matter to them at all. What
is left is this vagueness, and then people apply it to themselves and
think like _well, if that's all you're looking for, then I can do that._
Then they believe that once they will be the King, they can just order
the 3rd Temple to be build, and even though they might not know almost
anything, they think it will all work out fine because after all, they
care about people, and not understanding things also means, not knowing
that you don't know. Just hang out and be the King, and that's it. If
you don't understand the complexities, you don't understand that this
is not going to work out. The religion makes this worse, because people
who think they are 'moshiach' will then just think that the Creator will
help them with everything.

All this is idolatry and a mistake, I am sorry to say.

It doesn't matter who or what 'moshiach' is, this is irrelevant except to
idolators and fools. It matters what is the truth, and how to live. Not
the truth about who is moshiach (sigh), but the truth about important
topics, things the Government(s) are and need to deal with. It ranges
from the quality of the drinking water, to what is the currency and  -
of course - how to make common decisions and so much more. The whole
'moshiach' thing is nothing but a nuisance. Craziness in a crazy
world. Nevertheless, it looks like heaven may be willing to help the
jewish people despite their incredible ignorance, idolatry and disloyalty
to the Torah, and run the whole thing according to their culture. There
is nothing anyone is going to be able to do about that, if heaven made
this decision, or should even want to.

The Jewish people will be Redeeemed, however few it may be that wish to
return to the truth (probably not many, very possibly also almost no
Rabbis will return to the truth or even literally they may all end up
being traitors and end up thrown out forever). If heaven however decides
differently, then there will never be any 'moshiach' and this whole
culture and religion will also die and end up being disproven. Would
that ultimately be a problem ? I think not, but then again, this is a
world of fools, and so if the Jewish people are not seeing their thing
come true, then what Nation is going to be the example and allow itself
to be corrected, what Nation will stop their abuses against each other
and choose peace ?

So we go back again to the Tanach, where it says somewhere (if I recall):
_again_ Israel will be chosen. An amount them will return to the truth,
and live a life dedicated to Justice & Peace. This will then be the
'Lamp to the Nations'. Personally, I hope that they manage it without
any Kings, but unfortunately they may be too unruly and chaotic to make
that happen (yet), as the prophets already said apparently. So it is
all a big sadness and a disgrace, that Israel needs a King and all that,
and all this trouble regarding some otherwise not even too complicated
problems regarding Justice. Humanity however just refuses to come to
its senses and to live even half way correct, as we see now with World
War 3 being put together. This whole world is messed up.

It is shocking to see, how the Jewish people refuse to admit they have
been lying about the Torah for more than 2 thousand years already. If my
program would be of any interest (I worked very hard on it), you would see
that the 'moshiach proper' so to say, the actual King of Israel, would end
up being elected by them. I already suggested many times also, that they
should honor their own prophets and forefathers in this sense. They have
records of who descended from King David, literally the names. All they
have to do is elect 10 of those, and the oldest would be King. A King,
without any power. I realize that my proposal doesn't interest anyone,
but like I said, there are reasons for these proposals, logical reasons,
all written out of course. I also know people don't care about logic or
reason, and so they think if someone claims that, it usually is stupid,
and if it's not, people will end up _making_ it stupid. Such is the world,
but it cannot keep going like this. The bombs are too big.

People are mindless right now, including the Rabbis and the jewish
people, never mind the rest. However, then the nukes come down and the
dying starts for real, people will be forced to grow up fast. Perhaps
then, a few will care. If not, humanity is perhaps best almost entirely
destroyed and put back in the Stone Age - for its own good. Such will
be the cost of stupidity and evil.

Hence you see, none of you and including me, you have zero chance to
be this 'moshiach' in the system as I propose it - because you aren't
even Jewish, and if you are you aren't descending of King David or if
you are, you will unlikely be elected, and if you are elected you only
have a small chance to be top 10, and if you are top 10 you only have
a small chance to be the oldest of the 10. Then you think of course,
but this system is merely your private psychoses. Fine, think that,
it may end up that way of course. That is certainly possible. I however
will continue to push on it, hoping for the best ;-).

 * End reply.

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