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From: Coogan's Bluff <ft.tryon@park.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Dinner in the year of our lord 20241031.
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:06:56 -0700
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dsi1 wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:35:44 +0000, Coogan's Bluff wrote:
> 
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:48:12 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-11-09 11:25 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 2:54:14 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I cook those things too. Most people do. You can't cook these things
>>>>>>> without special heat retaining pans? Yoose people are delusional. 
>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>> the king of pineapple upside down cake, and pancakes too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody said that is the only way to cook them. You challenged 
>>>>>> Carol to
>>>>>> name one dish that people would cook in a pain that retains heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> She said that people down South cook with heat retention. Obviously
>>>>> that's not true. You could cook a roast by turning a very hot oven off
>>>>> and letting the oven coast for an hour or so but that has nothing 
>>>>> to do
>>>>> with the pan. If I was cooking a steak or pork chop or pancakes, I 
>>>>> don't
>>>>> turn the heat off and just leave stuff in the pan. You don't do that
>>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> You are deliberately overlooking to context.... cast iron frying pans.
>>>> You heat them up and slap a piece of meat on and the give a good sear
>>>> without the temperature of metal dropping.  Aluminum will heat up very
>>>> quickly, but if you apply a large piece of meat it cools way down. That
>>>> is why cast iron is so good for browning.
>>>
>>> That's not true at all. I can sear a steak in an aluminum or carbon
>>> steel pan that'll make your head spin around. It will cook faster than
>>> in any of your cast iron pans. Beats the heck out of me why you'd make
>>> such a misleading statement. You're a slave to dogma, ignorance, and
>>> your desire to be one of the rfc gang.
>>
>> I use carbon steel and cast iron but when I want a perfect steak or
>> fried fish or chicken breast - the carbon steel always wins out. And a
>> bonus is that it will surrender heat when you need it to - cast iron
>> just incinerates onward.
>>
>> Otoh, for cornbread - gimme my cast iron every time.
>>
>>
>>> My guess is that you've never cooked a steak in an aluminum or carbon
>>> steel pan. OTOH, I don't recommend that you try to sear a steak in an
>>> aluminum pan. You'll just end up hurting yourself or the pan - but
>>> mostly the pan
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/4ZvyftVWevzEZV4s8
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HpMXDtdWQJyxoNXf9
>>
>> Because "lesser" pans have feelings too!
>>
>> 😱
> 
> The truth is that I was never been a big fan of aluminum pans, my high
> temperature cooking would cause them to warp. 

I had some old ones that were thick enough not to worry over, but those 
are longer in the market.

> My search for pans has
> been extensive. At this point in time, I'm using aluminum pans that
> allow me to cook at high temperatures without warping. I'm not sure why
> that is. Near as I can tell, the construction/manufacturing is
> different.

The older ones were sorta like this:

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/1115/16/club-aluminum-10-inch-skillet_1_053e8fab882e1d90436bcf7de2f2dac3.jpg


I guess mine were Club, never paid attention to branding back then.


> rfc'ers can use whatever they want. It's not a concern of mine.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food.cooking/c/9JmWtlFwuQk/m/lMg14HInhFIJ


"sf
Oct 28, 2010, 8:56:27 AM

They are not my cup o' tea and a major reason why I haven't hopped on
the stainless steal cookware bandwagon. I still remember how even
full fat hamburgers stuck to the frying pan."

And she's right, we used to have stainless fry pans and they for some 
reason they stuck in a way that the old thick aluminum never did.

Maybe it was the metal's porosity, I recall the aluminum as a far better 
egg slider.

This guy knows pans, boy does he:

https://www.youtube.com/@UncleScottsKitchen

"Our Philosophy: If you have great equipment and great ingredients, with 
a little practice you can cook any dish in the world. We review pots and 
pans, deep fryers, knives, grain mills, and anything else you might find 
in a high-end fancy kitchen. We obsess a little over how to season 
carbon steel, tell a few jokes, and occasionally cook something 
delicious. We really like brands like De Buyer, Matfer, Lodge, Mauviel, 
Kramer Knives, Zwilling, Staub, and others. And we live by the motto: 
you can never have too much great kitchen gear.

Additionally, Uncle Scott has a little corollary to the Golden Rule, 
which he calls the Carbon Steel Rule: Never recommend that someone else 
buy a frying pan if you wouldn't buy it yourself. As such, he buys all 
of the products he reviews with his own money, no free review copies are 
accepted. This keeps product reviews as genuine as possible and also 
means that Uncle Scott is out there hunting for bargains on great gear 
just like you are."

(full discloure he does advertise endorse DeBuyer now)