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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---x86 code is a liar? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:58:03 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <vgvmtb$1kbe2$1@dont-email.me> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <e36afcb3758e0fb26d58019c08a24c6df0b562a7@i2pn2.org> <vgenp1$1uh1b$2@dont-email.me> <acecb0ba68d86b00c95fae1ecf690ec514aee26b@i2pn2.org> <vgfq86$24mon$1@dont-email.me> <e7a092c593ad1431a1bf6589d0102312545612ef@i2pn2.org> <vghb16$2ge1v$1@dont-email.me> <e51f21daadd358ef13801c918106c2fdc65a9f6b@i2pn2.org> <vghe3p$2gr3p$1@dont-email.me> <4cb98b3918d6745f53bb19582b59e786d4af5022@i2pn2.org> <vghgar$2h30o$1@dont-email.me> <e40629600e317dba47dd3d066d83899fa7b8a7ab@i2pn2.org> <vgiq1d$2nkqv$1@dont-email.me> <e84328012ce8d1e75b9b569f15f74fde315a0548@i2pn2.org> <vgjd2f$2qdc5$1@dont-email.me> <4654d9db2fa0906d7ab7a1c6c09139ab0b0110cd@i2pn2.org> <vgl7vl$37h38$4@dont-email.me> <vgnph1$3qcpl$1@dont-email.me> <vgns0o$3qq7s$1@dont-email.me> <vgsnod$upmp$1@dont-email.me> <vgt61q$11e5a$3@dont-email.me> <4eebe767dc236a7770566fc1593aae14a38cb085@i2pn2.org> <vgtbpd$12ji4$1@dont-email.me> <49bbc7f6ba667da66bc56c69db049774c066d084@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:58:04 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1205ca3535b6dc13288889d08451e971"; logging-data="1715650"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1//rfZGAQPU6vmNNHvMVhWj" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9IO23qLyJzQYuBX7Rauf99IHxx4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <49bbc7f6ba667da66bc56c69db049774c066d084@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241112-4, 11/12/2024), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3229 On 11/12/2024 1:12 AM, joes wrote: > Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:35:57 -0600 schrieb olcott: >> On 11/11/2024 10:25 AM, joes wrote: >>> Am Mon, 11 Nov 2024 08:58:02 -0600 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 11/11/2024 4:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2024-11-09 14:36:07 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>> On 11/9/2024 7:53 AM, Mikko wrote: > >>>> The actual computation itself does involve HHH emulating itself >>>> emulating DDD. To simply pretend that this does not occur seems >>>> dishonest. >>> Which is what you are doing: you pretend that DDD calls some other HHH >>> that doesn’t abort. >> DDD emulated by HHH does not reach its "return" instruction final halt >> state whether HHH aborts its emulation or not. > When DDD calls a simulator that aborts, that simulator returns to DDD, > which then halts. > It is not the same DDD as the DDD under test. When Bill's identical twin brother Fred is caught robbing the liquor store that is not proof that Bill did it. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer