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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:34:52 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <vh4job$2ov2c$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <0e67005f-120e-4b3b-a4d2-ec4bbc1c5662@att.net> <vga5mb$st52$1@dont-email.me> <vga7qi$talf$1@dont-email.me> <03b90d6c-fff1-411d-9dec-1c5cc7058480@tha.de> <vgb1fj$128tl$1@dont-email.me> <vgb2r6$11df6$3@dont-email.me> <vgcs35$1fq8n$1@dont-email.me> <vgfepg$22hhn$1@dont-email.me> <vgg0ic$25pcn$1@dont-email.me> <vggai3$25spe$8@dont-email.me> <vgi0t7$2ji2i$1@dont-email.me> <vgiet5$2l5ni$1@dont-email.me> <vgl2hj$3794c$1@dont-email.me> <vgleau$bi0i$2@solani.org> <vgnq3i$3qgfe$1@dont-email.me> <vgoka6$3vg2p$1@dont-email.me> <vgq1cm$b5vj$1@dont-email.me> <vgq3ca$beif$1@dont-email.me> <vgsp1c$v1ss$1@dont-email.me> <vgsq2v$v5t1$1@dont-email.me> <vgvm6h$1k8co$1@dont-email.me> <vgvmvr$1kc5f$1@dont-email.me> <vh1vlb$25kic$1@dont-email.me> <vh2j89$29gco$1@dont-email.me> <vh4f7p$2o5hn$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:34:52 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3be6ec8b18a491e1dbe29b8cfd32d94e"; logging-data="2915404"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/uBgzOUB4JS8k1IHTy55uqPCd9PzccAMo=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xCKeaxU8pb7Kgu3snSOtV4okxJI= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vh4f7p$2o5hn$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3273 On 14.11.2024 10:17, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-11-13 16:14:02 +0000, WM said: > >> On 13.11.2024 11:39, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-11-12 13:59:24 +0000, WM said: >> >>>> Cantor said that all rationals are within the sequence and hence >>>> within all intervals. I prove that rationals are in the complement. >>> >>> He said that about his sequence and his intervals. Infinitely many of >>> them >>> are in intervals that do not overlap with any of your J(n). >> >> The intervals J(n) = [n - 1/10, n + 1/10] cover the relative measure >> 1/5 of ℝ+. By translating them to match Cantor's intervals they cover >> ℝ+ infinitely often. This is impossible. Therefore set theorists must >> discard geometry. > > The intervals J(n) are what they are. Translated intervals are not the same > intervals. The properties of the translated set depend on how you translate. No. Covering by intervals is completely independent of their individuality and therefore of their order. Therefore you can either believe in set theory or in geometry. Both contradict each other. > For example, if you translate them to J'(n) = (n/100 - 1/10, n/100 + 1/10) > then the translated intervals J'(n) wholly cover the postive side of the > real line. By shuffling the same set of intervals which do not cover ℝ+ in the initial configuration, it is impossible to cover more. That's geometry. Regards, WM