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186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 11/13/24 3:57 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 13/11/2024 08:50, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> Most 60s cars used
>>>    DRUM brakes, you got maybe two or three good
>>>    apps before they'd fade.
>> 
>> The thing about drum brakes is that they have slight but significant 
>> innate brake assistance - the leading shoe tends to wedge itself on.
> 
>   Yep - likely By Design.
> 
>   BUT, the instant things get red hot - NO more brakes.
>   Modern discs/pads ARE superior.

Disks are superior, but don't think you can't make them fade with 
over-application.  They too will fade if the rotors get hot enough.  
The reason why they don't fade as easily is the design provides more 
cooling, so it takes more braking application to achieve the same 
'fade' level.

>> I don't want to go back to unassisted brakes and no power steering 
>> either.
> 
>   "Unassisted" CAN be OK ... but it takes a little
>   practice.
> 
>   Had an early-60s car that DID have power steering,
>   but I was too broke to replace the pump. THAT built
>   up the arm muscles ! 384 replaced with a 426 ...
>   massive power, needed a booster fuel pump !

A proper 'manual steer' car is easier to drive than a power steering 
car with the power steering disabled.  The gearing in the steering unit 
is set differently for power assist units vs. true manual steer units, 
and power assist, without the power assist, is much harder to steer.

It is the same with power assist brakes.  The hydralic multiplication 
factor is different between power assist master cylinders and true 
manual cylinders.  The power assist brakes, without the power assist, 
will require much more force on the pedal than a 'manual brake' system 
requires to produce the same stopping power.