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On 2024-11-14 10:52 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> 2024-11-14 2:32 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> 'Bout damn time.
> 
>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1856344458259734528/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/64Ai02EiWiLnc_TM.mp4?tag=12
> 
>>> "Families can be deported together."
> 
>>> Uh
> 
>>> That would include citizens and permanent residents. They aren't subject
>>> to deportation. Other people claim that's actually wht he means.
> 
>> I cannot IMAGINE the courts upholding a decision to deport actual
>> citizens of the United States, even with a majority of conservative
>> judges and the Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the
>> Executive Branch unless perhaps an amendment had changed the
>> Constitution to allow deportation of citizens.
> 
> Immigration cases aren't heard in courts established by Congress under
> Article III of the Constitution. Instead, deportation orders are heard
> by administrative law judges. These cases are incredibly backed up and
> were already a huge mess under Obama. Trump made everything worse, then
> Biden added all those asylum claims that have yet to be adjudicated.
> 
> There's no justice and the individual doesn't have rights accorded those
> accused of crimes or at trial. So, yes, if the government attempts to do
> what Tom Homan appears to want to do, it's conceivable that American
> citizens, those who have legally immigrated, and those legally present
> in the United States like asylum seekers could get swept up in Trump's
> zeal to perform mass deportations because it's so difficult for an
> individual to assert limited rights in these situations.
> 
Surely there will be SOME opportunity to show SOMEONE the paperwork that 
says they are a citizen or Green Card holder, even if some are 
mistakenly detained by ICE agents??

>> Surely the new "border czar" will, at most, put people who are citizens
>> in the difficult position of having their families split or leaving
>> VOLUNTARILY to keep the family together.
> 
> I have no idea. I'd like there to be some semblance of prioritization to
> concentrate on deporting those convicted of felonies, ignoring those who
> aren't criminals (except for violating immigration law who aren't human
> traffickers).
> 
I've already heard claims that this will be the priority but I'm not 
sure if that is just the intention right now but that it will be 
"simplified" so that anyone who can't prove citizenship or Green Card 
status is set for deportation.

>> Has anyone heard if people that will be deported under this
>> administration will be allowed to apply to enter the country legally
>> after they've returned to their home countries (or perhaps a third
>> country) or will these deportees be forbidden to even apply for normal
>> immigration ever again? (I'm assuming they can't be banned from applying
>> for refugee status.)
> 
>> Am I correct in thinking that American popular sentiment still supports
>> LEGAL immigration, even under the current circumstances, it just wants
>> to stop border-jumpers from sneaking in? If so, then I would hope that
>> the deportations to come won't preclude those people applying to come
>> legally.
> 
> I doubt the average American has any idea what the hell is in
> immigration and naturalization law. I don't.

I'm not talking about the law; I'm talking about popular sentiment. I've 
heard statements from various commentators that they in particular and 
the American people in general still welcome immigration as long as it 
is legal. But maybe people actually are so sick of all the invaders that 
they just want to kick them out and lock the door to all immigrants at 
least for a while until things settle.

-- 
Rhino