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Subject: Re: The Old vs The New
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 15:44:33 -0500
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On 2024-11-14 12:50 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-14 10:52 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>>> 2024-11-14 2:32 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> 'Bout damn time.
> 
>>>>>> https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1856344458259734528/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/64Ai02EiWiLnc_TM.mp4?tag=12
> 
>>>>> "Families can be deported together."
> 
>>>>> Uh
> 
>>>>> That would include citizens and permanent residents. They aren't subject
>>>>> to deportation. Other people claim that's actually wht he means.
>   
>>>> I cannot IMAGINE the courts upholding a decision to deport actual
>>>> citizens of the United States, even with a majority of conservative
>>>> judges and the Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the
>>>> Executive Branch unless perhaps an amendment had changed the
>>>> Constitution to allow deportation of citizens.
> 
>>> Immigration cases aren't heard in courts established by Congress under
>>> Article III of the Constitution. Instead, deportation orders are heard
>>> by administrative law judges. These cases are incredibly backed up and
>>> were already a huge mess under Obama. Trump made everything worse, then
>>> Biden added all those asylum claims that have yet to be adjudicated.
> 
>>> There's no justice and the individual doesn't have rights accorded those
>>> accused of crimes or at trial. So, yes, if the government attempts to do
>>> what Tom Homan appears to want to do, it's conceivable that American
>>> citizens, those who have legally immigrated, and those legally present
>>> in the United States like asylum seekers could get swept up in Trump's
>>> zeal to perform mass deportations because it's so difficult for an
>>> individual to assert limited rights in these situations.
> 
>> Surely there will be SOME opportunity to show SOMEONE the paperwork that
>> says they are a citizen or Green Card holder, even if some are
>> mistakenly detained by ICE agents??
> 
> People have been deported in error. It's America. We aren't required to
> carry our papers with us.
> 

Yes of course. I just meant that there would (hopefully) be *some* 
opportunity for people to prove they were in the country legally and 
that ICE wouldn't just round up and deport everyone that spoke with a 
foreign accent or looked non-white. That opportunity might not be truly 
fair, which of course is wrong, but it would be *something* that might 
be improved upon if challenged legally. (Hopefully though, it wouldn't 
be stretched to absurd extents. I still remember a documentary on 
immigration to Canada I saw 20-odd years ago where various 
self-proclaimed refugees swore that they were at risk of being murdered 
if they returned to their countries. Each of them was denied refugee 
status at their initial hearing but allowed to appeal: there were 
NINETEEN levels of appeal!!! Each of them was eventually allowed to have 
refugee status at one or another levels of their appeal. All of them 
admitted to the documentary crew (on camera) that their claims were 
spurious and that they were in no danger if returned to their home 
countries. To add insult to injury, the ethnic Russian woman from 
Kazakhstan mocked the whole immigration system saying that the Canadian 
system was idiotic.)


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Rhino