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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: iFixit iPhone 16 Pro teardown
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:17:37 -0500
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On 9/30/2024 5:00 PM, Andrew wrote:
> Tom Elam wrote on Mon, 30 Sep 2024 13:51:56 -0400 :
> 
>> REALLY? Can you support that with facts, not unsupported words. Your 
>> words are total bullshit. I'll bet you don't read a word of what follows.
>>
>> Here are some facts:
>>
>> https://techinspection.net/iphone-vs-android-battery-life/
>>
>> Quotes:
>>
>> "Battery Capacity
>>
>> The battery capacity, measured in milliamp hours (mAh), gives a basic 
>> indicator of how much juice a phone's battery can hold. However, 
>> optimization plays a huge role in translating that raw capacity into 
>> real-world usage.
>>
>> Recent iPhone models have packed in these mAh capacities:
>>
>> iPhone 14 Pro Max: 4,323 mAh
>> iPhone 14 Plus: 4,325 mAh
>> iPhone 14: 3,279 mAh
>> For Android, flagship capacities include:
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra: 5,000 mAh
>> Google Pixel 7 Pro: 5,000 mAh
>> OnePlus 10T: 4,800 mAh
>>
>> On paper, higher-end Android phones edge out iPhones on battery 
>> capacities. The iPhone 14 Pro Max packs fairly large batteries given 
>> its more compact size. However, Apple's custom silicon helps enable 
>> power efficiency that closes the usage gap despite lower mAh ratings. 
>> Still, Android makers continue pushing the envelope on sheer battery 
>> size to enable marathon usage times."
>>
>> "Real-World Battery Life Tests
>>
>> Lab tests of battery life provide useful comparisons between iPhones 
>> and Android phones under controlled conditions. Reviewers like 
>> PhoneBuff run battery rundown tests for different use cases. In a web 
>> browsing test over 5G networks, the iPhone 14 Pro Max lasted actively 
>> for 11 hours 28 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours making it a total 
>> of 27 hours 38 minutes. On the other hand, Galaxy S22 Ultra was active 
>> for 9 hours 16 minutes, and on standby for 16 hours, making it a total 
>> of 25 hours 16 minutes. Clearly, real-world testing indicates iPhones 
>> have an advantage for typical daily use, thanks to the platform's 
>> power efficiency along with battery capacity. However, results can 
>> vary depending on the individual models tested in each phone generation."
>>
>> Other tests show iPhones and Android about the same.
>>
>> Here's the clincher:
>>
>> "Battery Life Over Time
>>
>> How well a smartphone battery holds up and maintains its charging 
>> capacity over an extended period is an important consideration for 
>> long-term owners.
>>
>> Overall, iPhones tend to experience less severe battery degradation 
>> than typical Android phones after 12-24 months of use. Reports 
>> indicate most recent iPhone models still have around 80-85% of their 
>> original capacity after two years. Though there is no way to determine 
>> battery health on Android, but using 3rd party apps like AccuBattery, 
>> it has been seen that many Android phones dip below 70% capacity by 
>> the same point as repeated fast charging takes a toll.
>>
>> However, Android variety means experiences vary. Since there are 
>> numerous brands, ways to check battery health on Android also varies. 
>> Since Android 13, Google started to offer battery health count from 
>> settings. Although smartphone brands are offering quality batteries, 
>> after a couple of years things like less battery backup and battery 
>> swelling happen in Android. On the other hand, there is no record of 
>> iPhone battery swelling.
>>
>> This happens because of the extra fast charging facility. Fast 
>> charging the phone every day has an adverse effect on the battery. 
>> Currently, brands offering 65-watt, 85-watt, and even 120-watt 
>> adapters on Android have a high chance of battery damage. iPhones on 
>> the other hand are quite careful with their charging accessories. 
>> That's why they don't offer anything extra other than suitable 
>> charging power."
> 
> You have never read the news, Tom Elam, am I correct?
> (You only read Apple's (rather brilliant) advertising, right Tom?)
> 
> The fact is the EU told Apple to STOP SELLING el cheap iPhones, Tom Elam.
> That's *every* iPhone below the iPhone 15, Tom Elam.
> 
> Look it up.
> 
> All iPhones miserably failed the EU's *MINIMUM* standards for battery life!
> Even the iPhones that passed, *barely* meet EU minimum-life standards.
> 
> While some Android phones *DOUBLED* the EU's minimum battery standards!
> Think about that.
> 
> In addition...
> See my response to Jolly Roger where, using simple numbers, if you have a
> batter that lasts for an entire week on one charge, but if that battery has
> a 5 charge cycle rating, then it won't last more than a few months, Tom.
> 
> Apple marketing is genius at advertising only half the picture, where
> Apple's admirable number of hours on one charge is only one metric.
> 
> What you have to look at is Apple's atrocious number of charge cycles
> before that battery is considered dead as a doorknob - unchargeable.
> 
> To put it bluntly, the main reason the iPhone has the most replaced battery
> of all phones in that price range is Apple uses el cheapo battery design.
> 
> The EU was so appalled at the extremely short lifetime of Apple batteries,
> that the EU recently *forced* Apple to disclose the number of charge
> cycles, and the EU forbid Apple to sell every iPhone below the iPHone 15 as
> a result of the astoundingly low number of iPhone battery charge cycles.
> 
> Look it up as we discussed this topic in great detail only a short while
> ago.
> You'd be hard pressed to find worse batteries than those in the iPhone.
> At least in that price range - there are multiple batteries in Android
> phones that last TWICE the charge cycles as the el cheapo iPhones do.
> 
> Look that up since charge cycles are the major second-order determinant of
> overall battery life, with initial capacity being the first-order
> determinant, and the overall daily life being a third-order determinant.
> 
> Sorry if this simple math is too much for you brainwashed Apple zealots.
> 
> And sorry if the EU directly forced Apple to never again sell a new iPhone
> lower than the iPhone 15 because they *all* failed the EU lifetime test.
> 
> The fact is Apple batteries must follow the same laws of physics as other
> batteries, and the fact is the Apple batteries are of an el cheapo design.

So I tried to look up the EU banning sales of iPhones older than the 14 
version. Can't find anything. What I did find was the regulation that 
forced USB C charge port effective with the iPhone 15.

Please supply the reference to banning sales of iPhone 14 and prior.