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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: Thank you EU!
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:23:26 -0800
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On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled 
>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but not 
>>>>>>>>>>> picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by 
>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri 
>>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default 
>>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked 
>>>>>>>>>>> for directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from 
>>>>>>>>>>> with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google 
>>>>>>>>>>> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, 
>>>>>>>>>>> no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be 
>>>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You still 
>>>>>>>>> have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's 
>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app 
>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or 
>>>>>>> fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, 
>>>>>>> that is not permitted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how 
>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't open 
>>>>>>> up in- app purchase options. One small step in that direction has 
>>>>>>> happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those books are included 
>>>>>>> in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently on iOS you had to 
>>>>>>> get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, not the Amazon 
>>>>>>> app, even though the subscription covers the cost. Now you can 
>>>>>>> select and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited book right off the 
>>>>>>> app. That was very inconvenient, and might push someone to use 
>>>>>>> Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases 
>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to 
>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to something 
>>>>>>> reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic rates they can 
>>>>>>> charge now by not allowing purchase completion until they get 
>>>>>>> their cut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. 
>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me 
>>>> all your money...
>>>>
>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>
>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much 
>>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>
>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>
>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>
>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>
>> Well, duh!
>>
>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
> 
> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not have 
> now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default 
> navigation app and delete Apple Maps?

Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether 
or not to buy it.

> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri 
> for Google Assistant?

Same answer.

> Why can't I have a payment app different from 
> Apple Wallet?

Same answer.

> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for 
> in-app purchases?

Same answer.

> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?

Same answer.

> 
> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what 
> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not open 
> up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will certainly 
> be subject to additional fines.

It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to abandon 
it...

....when you think it's good for YOU.