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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: For those who still don't get that the Honda doesn't offer an
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:39:11 -0500
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On 10/25/2024 4:30 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-10-24 15:38, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 10/15/2024 12:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-15 08:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2024 11:46 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-12 04:36, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 2:17 AM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-10 17:46, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-10 13:30, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2024 12:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-10 03:25, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2024 11:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-09 19:28, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 7:20 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 11:29, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...ON THE TRACK:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the SCCA National Runoffs this year at Road America in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fastest qualifier so far IS an FF Honda at 2:22.552.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But second fastest is a FF Ford just .181 behind at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2:22.733.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloads/000/073/365/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FF%20Runoffs2024%20Qual%202%20Provisional.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that's not even remotely a new Formula F chassis! The 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swift DB6 chassis dates from 1991...that's 43 years ago!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why is the field mostly Hondas?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because (as I've explained before) time and money spent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining a Formula F Kent in top shape can be spent on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more profitable things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, gee, what do you know?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "uncompetitive" Kent...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in Formula F.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who'd have thought it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> downloads/000/073/541/ FF%20Runoffs2024%20Race%20Official.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The # 5 car, the Kent, finished 8th in the official 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> results, 1st in Provisional Results
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Position changed per: Car 5 - Moved behind #81 per SOM - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GCR 6.11.1.D,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Appendix P.5. Must have cheated to get moved down that far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the 5 car was the only Kent in the race.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What's extra hilarious is that they literally listed the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rule infraction involved...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...but you just went with, "must have cheated".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was a passing infraction, I looked it up. That is 
>>>>>>>>>>> cheating. You said he "won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in 
>>>>>>>>>>> Formula F" the when confronted with the truth changed it to 
>>>>>>>>>>> "could have won", Liarboy. So typical of you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your implication was clearly that the only reason he could 
>>>>>>>>>> have been leading the race was that he cheated. The SCCA ruled 
>>>>>>>>>> that he moved to aggressively to defend his position, and 
>>>>>>>>>> having seen the video, that's certainly true. But your claim 
>>>>>>>>>> has always been that the Ford can't be competitive with the 
>>>>>>>>>> Honda and there's no way that can be true if a Ford can be in 
>>>>>>>>>> the lead on the last lap of the race.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And never said "could have won" anywhere, Liarboy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You flat out lied when you said "The "uncompetitive" Kent
>>>>>>>>> won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in Formula F"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you had said that a single Kent was competitive in this one 
>>>>>>>>> race I would have agreed. But no, you said the Kent WON the 
>>>>>>>>> race. That is not true. He broke a rule by aggressively 
>>>>>>>>> blocking another driver. Had he not done so he might have not 
>>>>>>>>> placed first in the provisional standings. In other words, he 
>>>>>>>>> cheated the other driver out of an opportunity to pass and was 
>>>>>>>>> appropriately penalized. Had he followed the rules he very 
>>>>>>>>> likely would not have even won a provisional first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, in a larger sense, is the Kent competitive? No. There have 
>>>>>>>>> been VERY few Kents entered in the Runoffs for many years. If 
>>>>>>>>> they were competitive on performance and cost there would be 
>>>>>>>>> more. If the Kent was a better engine overall on performance 
>>>>>>>>> and cost the Kent would dominate. Even you agree. After all you 
>>>>>>>>> bought a Honda- powered car, Liarboy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You stated "Because (as I've explained before) time and money 
>>>>>>>>> spent
>>>>>>>>> maintaining a Formula F Kent in top shape can be spent on more 
>>>>>>>>> profitable things." You admit here that the Kent is not 
>>>>>>>>> competitive when considering the overall metrics. Why spend the 
>>>>>>>>> money on the Kent when it can't go out and beat the Honda on a 
>>>>>>>>> consistent basis? YOU said that. THAT is why the Kent is so 
>>>>>>>>> scarce in the Runoffs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In an even larger sense you show in this instance that you are 
>>>>>>>>> more than willing to bend facts to make yourself look good. 
>>>>>>>>> Major traits of a narcissistic hypocrite. Of course, another 
>>>>>>>>> trait of the narcissistic hypocrite is that you can never admit 
>>>>>>>>> being wrong, or that the other person who disagrees with you is 
>>>>>>>>> right. Such people are also totally blind to their disorder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just for absolute clarity, Liarboy:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I posted about the Runoffs win at 16:20PDT on October 4...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and the official results weren't posted until 17:00 
>>>>>>>> (Wisconsin time presumably)...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...on October 5.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just another example of your careful understanding of the 
>>>>>>>> situation, hmmm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <crickets.wav>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Competition weeds out the weak - individuals, companies, entire 
>>>>>> species, and race car engines. HH has confused cause and effect. 
>>>>>> The cause of so few Kents at this level of competition is that all 
>>>>>> things considered they are not competitive. If the Kent is, all 
>>>>>> things considered, a more competitive engine than the Honda, there 
>>>>>> would be a lot more entered. The Runoffs FF engine market has for 
>>>>>> years been dominated by Honda. Prove me wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't HAVE to "prove" you wrong, you mendacious asshole.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are literally parroting back to me what I explained to you when 
>>>>> you tried to claim that using a Honda made the car faster...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...ON THE TRACK,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan, you were in such a rush to brag about that outcome you did 
>>>>>> not even wait for the official results. Then after they were 
>>>>>> posted you never corrected your post. Liar either way. Yes, it was 
>>>>>> a case of cheating. That driver was not allowing faster cars to 
>>>>>> pass. Do you understand that the fact that he had to do that meant 
>>>>>> under the rules he illegally placed first? Or that other cars were 
>>>>>> faster?
>>>>>
>>>>> I only just discovered the the fact a couple of days ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never claimed that a Kent can't win a race. I'm looking at FF 
>>>>>> engine choices. Can the Kent compete straight-up against the 
>>>>>> Honda? Interesting question, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you claimed (and I have the receipts) is that a Honda was 
>>>>> faster...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...ON THE TRACK.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, in 2011 SCCA established Formula 1600, limited to the 
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