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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 13:58:06 -0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <vh8g5e$3juug$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <f154138e-4482-4267-9332-151e2fd9f1ba@att.net> <vgkoi7$b5pp$1@solani.org> <6d9f3b10-47ad-459c-9536-098ce91f514b@att.net> <vgni02$3osmc$1@dont-email.me> <16028da0-456b-47ad-8baa-7982a7cbdf10@att.net> <vgpupb$abrr$2@dont-email.me> <fc4df00f-96d1-402f-89d2-739cb8ddd863@att.net> <vgsg04$t7fk$1@dont-email.me> <1fca3a53-1cb4-4fd2-85b6-85e9b69ca23b@att.net> <vgtpmo$153hf$6@dont-email.me> <d17f7542-986e-4897-89b4-dccaf11d5311@att.net> <vh00jj$1m6co$1@dont-email.me> <97304048-24f5-4625-82a7-d17427f2f6e3@att.net> <vh0hta$1pmql$1@dont-email.me> <65febd06-662b-4fa4-9aa8-f7353a79a110@att.net> <vh2k9p$29cql$1@dont-email.me> <157a949d-6c19-4693-8cee-9e067268ae45@att.net> <vh35nd$2d81g$1@dont-email.me> <cb0c9917-09a9-45f0-8fe9-cd059fa82dde@att.net> <vh4itg$2o3vu$1@dont-email.me> <8165b44b-1ba5-429d-8317-0b043b214b53@att.net> <vh76bi$3bnde$1@dont-email.me> <d90452a5-965b-443f-9146-96cdf9b3906c@att.net> <vh8ft0$3jqb5$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 22:58:06 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f78e91c2ef29d1e51cbaba76277412a0"; logging-data="3800016"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19yynjt4jiAHQYj0G6DLDkgb6ZfIjZPG18=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JG9rRNPhLylK6kqa+9V+iTUjvgI= In-Reply-To: <vh8ft0$3jqb5$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3949 On 11/15/2024 1:53 PM, WM wrote: > On 15.11.2024 18:54, Jim Burns wrote: > > On 11/15/2024 5:04 AM, WM wrote: > > >> For infinite figures > >> we use the analytical limit > >> as is normal in mathematics. > > > > The reason you (WM) give is that > > ☠⎛ whatever is true of all finite > > ☠⎝ is also true of the infinite. > > Not "whatever" but well-established rules. > > > > You (WM) are misinterpreting the infinite as > > ☠( just like the finite, but bigger. > > You are believing that the infinite can do magic. I believe that limits > of simple sequences can be calculated. The sequence 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, ... > has the limit 1/5 after all terms. It does never deviate. > > > > The finite are the countable.to from.nothing. > > Anything countable.to from.nothing is finite. > > It's what.we.mean. > > Either we can calculate the infinite by means of the finite relations, > or this will forever remain impossible. Only in the latter case your > argument is acceptable. But why do you believe in Cantor's bijections if > the infinite can disobey all logic? > > If it is possible that the set {10^10^10^n, 10^10^10^m, n, m ∈ ℕ} has > precisely as many elements as the set of algebraic numbers (i.e., if > there can exist a bijection), then there is no trust in bijections. > > If the intervals [n - 1/10, n + 1/10] can infinitely often cover the > real line, then there is no trust in geometry. > > > And our sets do not change. > > Then the density 1/5 will never change. Then never a new guest can be > accomodated in the fully occupied Hilbert's hotel. Ugg, an infinite set is never exhausted. Taking a gallon of water out of an infinite pool of water means you are holding a gallon water, but the infinite pool is still infinite. The same. Taking an infinite amount of water means the pool is still full of water.