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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Reply to some person claiming to 'be moshiach' MBD
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title: Who Will Crown King Messiah? The King of Edom
source: Rav Avraham Shira
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-elju9ar8&t=272s

  Someone wrote a reply under this, along the lines of "if you
  'moshiach' are reading this, then I support you and you will succeed".
  Exact text below in quotes.

Someone suggested they are 'moshiach' and they are in contact with
Hashem or something like that.

  Reply ...

@mashiachEvanbenDavid  Ah ok. This is not a program, but your personal
feelings about what you think is 'god' or something. You want the ... you
wrote: _"I hope to get the attitude of servitude from the ones that claim
to know God."_ Aha ok, so you want good people to serve you ? That will
fix things in the world you think ? You should be regarded a ... you
wrote: _"I am a big brother."_ which says the same.

I asked you about your program, you did not give a program, there is no
plan of action or anything. You wrote to someone that you want unity of
the family. Ok fine (who doesn't). How will you accomplish this lofty
goal ? You think that giving the order will make it happen, with you as
the "big brother" (your words) ?

Just so you know, you do _not_ get my servitude, sorry. I'm against that
sort of thing, it's primitive in my opinion. I think people should talk
together and decide on common issues, or start learning how to do it. Away
with dictatorship, and more democracy please - the more the better. We see
also in real life, that the more there is democracy, the less the people
suffer. When autocracy, dictatorship, power centralization in general
increase, then the suffering increases. When Republics fall, the suffering
increases. When Dictators take over, suffering increases. Unfortunately,
things are not always as simple as they may seem. Nazi coups may be
rebranded "democracy" (USA is great with that, see Ukraine), and so on,
and so on.

We also see flavors of this in the Torah, although not that much I
shall admit. I think the problem with Israel is that they are an unruly
people, who are not well behaved enough to have a real democracy (I
mean a _serious_ democracy, more serious than the Roman Rebublic, who
incidentally had initially a friendship bond with the Maccabean Dynasty,
if I am not mistaken; something to think about I guess). Shamuel also
rejected the Kingship, and HKB'H said that by choosing a King they
rejected him as their King (which I think is correct, but hey it's
easy ... the Torah is so often correct I start to think it is *always*
correct). Notably, there are a lot of restraints on the Kings of
Israel. They are not as Sovereign as some dictators have been. So long
as there where real prophets, they could at least be overthrown by them,
but Israel just went down and down so much, it all became one big pile
of nonsense.

Power spreading to all is part of the Torah though, in my opinion at
least. Right to land (a big one). Freeing of the slaves. A Government
which has restrictions on its power, due to the Torah being an
unchangeable law. Forced loan making by the rich. Forced rest days for
everyone. The Rabbis have ruined a lot of this already, and hence the
exile started ...

Dude you know, in the end, all this is extremely serious. It's not about
someone their personal house gods and their private emotions (as I already
claimed before). It is about laws for Nations, how messed up they have
become, and so ond and so on. What is the law, is the question. The Torah
is law ? Fine, but it isn't, because it was overthrown partially by the
corrupt Rabbis, who are criminals under the Torah now. This is how bad
it is already. When the next round of punishment happens, that will be
7 times worse than the Nazis.

DO YOU READ ME ? 10+ Million Jews are about to die. UNtold numbers of
gentiles will die. Can someone please start to take things seriously
before these fools these Rabbinical fools destroy all of Israel and
themselves with it. oy oy oy Israel ... where is your brain. If all
you did was stop your lies about the Torah and absolutely nothing else,
perhaps that will be enough to save yourselves and get out of exile. Throw
this whole 'moshiach' garbage on the trash heap, but stop lying about the
Torah from now on. Yes, you are lying, and you know you are lying. You
don't ? You should have known by now. Your lies are set to destroy you,
95% or more may be dead within 10-20 years, literally dead, massacred
in various ways by the crazy gentiles.

You heard about a bank failure yet ? It's coming. Remember the Weimar
Republic ? Find your brain and use it. Harden your position, it's
coming. USA, Zionist State, anywhere, nowhere is safe. Stop lying about
the Torah, harden your position, help your brother Jew any way you
possibly can, keep the whole Shabbos to the night until you sleep as
well as you can, be of a nice voice to your people, be nice and humble
and helpful and also of course ... what's the word ... loyal to your
marriage to the maximum you can. Modesty is the word. Listen to your
brother and sister Jew carefully so you understand them and can help
them. I think if you did all this, even if you die, hopefully you will be
found to be a good person worthy of life. I get it that you are scared
of a full scale Revolution or to overthrow your lying Rabbis (which you
pretend are not lying because your brain is lost apparently), but there
are lesser things you could be doing anyway, one way or the other.

If you are in USA though ... the autists said: RUN, run for your lives
! It's very similar to Germany, the assimilation. IT seems, heaven
will not have it. It will be entirely wiped out, it seems (what I can
peace together, and the logic of it). You are Jews you must be Jews,
not gentiles, you must give the example. That is apparently your job,
then do it, and live. Please it's coming. It already started now.

  End reply.

Youtube / Google deleted this it seems, so I post it here. I know this
topic is kind of crazy. I apologize for that. Can I help it that this
thing exists in the world, and is at the forefront of the minds of
perhaps 2 Billion people, and the people where we live (3 complete
religions with hundreds of millions of followers) ?

I wish we could just have a reasoned debate about how to organize
elections, and how to deal with land ownership correctly, and then get
to it and do it. But no ... even the labor union is investing their time
in the mad idea of Basic Income. It's the population their own fault
though. They don't even want it. They don't even want to be free.
Unfortunately for them, the consequence is going to be a level of
slavery they are not going to be happy about, eventually at least.
Then you have more rebellions and civil wars and Revolutions ...

Unless the ruling class can explode your brain with one push of a
button, or set the robots on you. You think that's a crazy idea ? The
people with all the money *are* crazy. They are crazy, criminal, and
have all the money in the world to finance their hobby. Which is;
enslaving you, enslaving the world, and then the Cosmos (lol)

Anyway (what a great day of ranting this is, eh ?), just wanted to add
this personal remark ...

   Continuing above mentioned comment debate ... (first referring to
   this above quoted reply which youtube has deleted - I keep a copy of
   everything here).

My reply here seems to have been deleted, or at least I don't see it. I
often re-post on Usenet on soc.culture.jewish to get around the evil
of the USA. Since I went full nutcase here already (but I have to if it
is true, I'm forced into it because of what will likely later happen),
I might as well continue with what I was thinking about. The question
is non-stop asked "when will 'moshiach' come", and this can be taken
literally: when will 'that person' go up to Yerushalayim, the city itself,
physically. Although I already said I'm not your King and I'm against
monarchy even, and you would bring out someone else to do that for you
under my program, if it concerns my person I have already decided to not
convert to be a Jewish person, because 1. liars cannot convert anyone
to the Torah (and the Rabbis are liars), which was always my original
reason, but now I have decided that I will never convert to being Jewish
or part of the Nation of Israel, because I do not want to be part of a
people who have shown such a hard neck to the obvious truth.

I know, it is nutcasery, who the flip cares, right ? Spot on. Even so,
if it ends up being all correct what I write, then it may matter more to
you in the end, than to me. So this you already achieved Israel, and now
I am also concidering never to visit your country. That would be the next
step, but I am not 100% sure yet, but I'm going to that direction slowly
but surely. This is because your continual lying about the Torah. This
does not mean I'm against Israel or will ever be. Israel is still the
best Nation in the world, with the most caring and smart people, and
pretty much the only hope for mankind. If you don't give the example,
probably nobody will. So there is your answer then: if it concerns this
particular nutcase, the answer to 'when will moshiach come' would be:
probably never, thanks to your lying about the Torah and your rebellion
against the truth. Never is the answer. Also if it concerns the King you
may want to put in under proposed program, that person may already be
there and even born there. He is already there, is the other answer. Have
a good day, nutcase here out ;-).

  End reply.

Cya, until never I guess. You are waiting on nothing, you are waiting on
yourself and your will to be good. Literally, you are waiting on
yourself to do something serious for the Torah, the truth, the peace,
Justice. I have no intention whatsoever to talk or visit a people who
have lied about the Torah for so long, and who kept going with it point
blank against all the arguments, and usually just ignoring them of
course (a potent weapon in the eyes of the mindless).

P.S. (Previous I said the Jewish people don't have a plan, but they sort
of do have a plan: 1. waiting for 'moshiach' whom they think will be a
liar about the Torah (Hillel, Rambam) like them and lead them with the
IDF, or a new rebellion against the Zionist State (depending on what side
you are on), to some sort of military victory against some sort of
attacks, and then they will just build a building on the mount in
Yerushalayim, and whatever society they can cobble together at that
point will be it and they will call it 'the Redemption' no matter how
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