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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis ---SUCCINCT Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 11:18:33 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <vhak59$47n9$1@dont-email.me> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vh5fsd$2tvu0$2@dont-email.me> <a39b254c0aa0260206e0c21419993ea84007f765@i2pn2.org> <vh5hmo$2v2hi$1@dont-email.me> <8ee04a00a23875dac3d741882bffbdcb81dd7acb@i2pn2.org> <vh5ils$2v8v9$1@dont-email.me> <9807cd8f9a43d7c9e9f13c6f113276cfd5f20b97@i2pn2.org> <vh5m5h$191h$1@news.muc.de> <vh5mh7$301h0$1@dont-email.me> <9e7d357b9e3959bb8394d9bf45e6161a7c9145aa@i2pn2.org> <vh6c68$33nek$2@dont-email.me> <0a0894cfd14377a9fcf89638c7705420507f571e@i2pn2.org> <vh8pas$3lqmu$1@dont-email.me> <463966aff896041f1ea77478554251554a6ef456@i2pn2.org> <vh93nj$3r8ig$1@dont-email.me> <9c41d73f0cda8f10434729bdbc0963a95582bd5d@i2pn2.org> <vh957l$3rg98$1@dont-email.me> <ae415d1a0f07aa76d9a0dd2ef1078ffeb9b03b32@i2pn2.org> <vh96c2$3rlks$1@dont-email.me> <20671ab52fff727d5bcad5a85db05c68774fbbc5@i2pn2.org> <vha936$1md4$1@dont-email.me> <46c9921e9ad206dc2bf178fda7b1d19f94f44829@i2pn2.org> <vhad21$2jm4$2@dont-email.me> <14e3854f191fe4b808d5efaddefa44f24b9b578a@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2024 18:18:34 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="16729fe49be52c96931729700fb02df3"; logging-data="138985"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Lal4PhL7eDDQJVx1VXl1b" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:yC5pRMcCpnN6tPfx3A4TrtpsFG8= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241116-4, 11/16/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <14e3854f191fe4b808d5efaddefa44f24b9b578a@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4636 On 11/16/2024 10:51 AM, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Nov 2024 09:17:21 -0600 schrieb olcott: >> On 11/16/2024 8:26 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 11/16/24 9:09 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 11/16/2024 6:36 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 11/15/24 11:17 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 11/15/2024 10:10 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 11/15/24 10:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 9:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 11/15/24 10:32 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 9:18 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/15/24 7:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 8:49 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/24 9:38 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 2:33 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/24 3:28 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 2:22 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joes <noreply@example.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That behavior that HHH is supposed to be reporting on is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the behavior of the actual direct exectution of the program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> described by the input, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IN OTHER WORDS YOU ARE SAYING THAT HHH SHOULD STUPIDLY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IGNORE THE FACT THAT DDD DOES SPECIFY THAT HHH MUST EMULATE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ITSELF EMULATING DDD > >>>>> Your "Source Code", is NOT an axiom of the system. >>> WHich isn't a complete program, so a LIE to call it one. >>> >> I never called it a complete program and you swear your own allegiance >> to the father of lies by saying that I did. > I hereby swear allegiance to the father of lies. > That may seem funny from an atheist POV unless and until it directly results in eternal incineration. In any case people that lie about my work prove their lack of moral integrity. > Which HHH does DDD call, the one that aborts? > This has never made any damn difference. The fact remains that DDD emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction final halt state no matter WTF else IS THE CORRECT BASIS. When an emulator emulates an infinite loop we do not count this emulated infinite loop as halting when we yank the power cord out. HALTING IS ONLY REACHING A FINAL HALT STATE. That I have to keep telling you this seems to indicate that you are a liar. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer