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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 00:40:44 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vhbahs$8tbs$1@dont-email.me> References: <vg7cp8$9jka$1@dont-email.me> <vgsg04$t7fk$1@dont-email.me> <1fca3a53-1cb4-4fd2-85b6-85e9b69ca23b@att.net> <vgtpmo$153hf$6@dont-email.me> <d17f7542-986e-4897-89b4-dccaf11d5311@att.net> <vh00jj$1m6co$1@dont-email.me> <97304048-24f5-4625-82a7-d17427f2f6e3@att.net> <vh0hta$1pmql$1@dont-email.me> <65febd06-662b-4fa4-9aa8-f7353a79a110@att.net> <vh2k9p$29cql$1@dont-email.me> <157a949d-6c19-4693-8cee-9e067268ae45@att.net> <vh35nd$2d81g$1@dont-email.me> <cb0c9917-09a9-45f0-8fe9-cd059fa82dde@att.net> <vh4itg$2o3vu$1@dont-email.me> <8165b44b-1ba5-429d-8317-0b043b214b53@att.net> <vh76bi$3bnde$1@dont-email.me> <d90452a5-965b-443f-9146-96cdf9b3906c@att.net> <vh8ft0$3jqb5$3@dont-email.me> <vh8g5e$3juug$1@dont-email.me> <vh8otd$3lhlt$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1is$6hbv$2@dont-email.me> <vhb1mu$6hbv$4@dont-email.me> <vhb2sg$7dkl$1@dont-email.me> <vhb403$6hbv$6@dont-email.me> <vhb5aj$7ese$6@dont-email.me> <vhb5jj$6hbv$8@dont-email.me> <vhb5vc$7ese$7@dont-email.me> Reply-To: invalid@example.invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 00:40:44 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6b1c1fdc78b82e1c0920bdc55899b80f"; logging-data="292220"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Yv1E5bflMaj103+XzI5sF" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:JXuteJuG1bRdE+XCm2D+zsNDdB0= Content-Language: de-DE In-Reply-To: <vhb5vc$7ese$7@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3788 Am 16.11.2024 um 23:22 schrieb Moebius: > Am 16.11.2024 um 23:16 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >> On 11/16/2024 2:11 PM, Moebius wrote: >>> Am 16.11.2024 um 22:48 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson: >>>> On 11/16/2024 1:29 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> Chris M. Thomasson pretended: >>>>>> >>>>>> (infinity - infinity) = undefined >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>>>> L%27H%C3%B4pital%27s_rule#Other_indeterminate_forms >>> >>> Or this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indeterminate_form >>> >>> "oo - oo" is an "indeterminate form". >>> >> >> I must be missing something: [...] >> >> [1] = a gallon of water out of an infinite pool >> [2] = another gallon of water out of an infinite pool >> [3] = on and on... taken to infinity... >> >> The pool would always have infinite water for this process? > > Assume that the H2O molecules in the pool are "numerated" by 1, 2, > 3, ... (i.e. that ALL H2O molecules in the pool are "numerated" by > natural numbers). > > Taking out the "infinite amount of H2O molecules" numerated by 1, 2, > 3, ... would lead to an EMPTY pool. Hint: If the first gallon of water consists of the H2O molecules numbered by 1, ..., n_1, the second gallon of water consists of the H2O molecules numbered by (n_1)+1, ..., n_2 (with n_2 > (n_1)+1), and so on, the "outcome" would be an empty pool. (Hint: try to name the number attached to an H2O molecule which "remains" in the pool.) > On the other hand, taking out the "infinite amount of H2O molecules" > numerated by 2, 4, 6, ... would not drain the pool. 😛 It would still be > filled (sort of) with infinitely many H20 molecules. 😛 > > Be aware if the infinite, man! > > . > . > . >