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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 19:36:30 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 16 Message-ID: <vhdgju$piji$4@dont-email.me> References: <slrnv8npnn.bsh9.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <sGrAJE.11yAF@yahoo.com> <vh68a8$pb6$2@reader1.panix.com> <vh8sbb$3m7vt$1@dont-email.me> <8db593ab-0793-2b31-ebc3-922a5d2fc241@example.net> <vhaavs$298a$1@dont-email.me> <d3b202fd-2dd2-c9ef-1d2a-579409defe83@example.net> <vhcus9$lu8r$1@dont-email.me> <vhd1gi$lvfu$3@dont-email.me> <Ryp_O.14390$V2ha.7339@fx18.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:36:30 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0e079645d656fd43a936f8dae4bc7735"; logging-data="838258"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX180iKQNQO8jSfkm14Dn4i6l" User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:h0iTTBicUVVSgzuzCnfx1+JjTDk= Bytes: 2064 On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 17:17:37 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Never underestimate the value of a few printf()s > sprinkled here and there (or log file writes if you're really headless). I don’t really see that much difference. On *nix systems, service managers can redirect stdout or stderr to logfiles anyway, so I can run my code directly from a terminal for testing, and then in the background via a service definition for production use, without having to make any code changes. > I'm still a fan of makefiles. Automated build scripts certainly. Ninja seems to be a common alternative to make nowadays. But you need a higher-level wrapper to generate the control files: e.g. Autotools, Meson, CMake etc.