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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
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On 11/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/17/24 3:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/17/2024 1:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> void DDD()
>>>> {
>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>    return;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except your DDD *CAN'T BE EMULTATED* by *ANY* HHH, as it is 
>>> IMPOSSIBLE to emulate the Call HHH per the x86 language from your 
>>> input, as the data isn't tnere.
>>>
>>
>> In patent law this is called incorporation by reference.
> 
> And you need to PRECISELY specify what you are referencing.
> 
> 
>> I referred to every element of an infinite set of encodings
>> of HHH. You already know that it is ridiculously stupid
>> that you suggest I should write them all down.
> 
> And thus admit that you are not talking sense, as each HHH that you 
> think of creates a DIFFERENT program DDD
> 
>>
>> When each of them correctly emulates N instructions of its
>> input then N instructions have been correctly emulated. It
>> is despicably dishonest of you to say that when N instructions
>> have been correctly emulated that no instructions have been
>> correctly emulating.
> 
> No, it is dishonest for you to lie.
> 
> I never said that N instructions correctly emulated is no instructions 
> correctly emulated, just that it isn't a correct emulation that provides 
> the answer for the semantic property of halting, which requires 
> emulating to the final state or an unbounded number of steps.
> 

void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
   return;
}

You are stupid liar. A smart liar would not be caught
in a lie with such a simple counter-example
THAT IS NEITHER EMULATED TO THE FINAL STATE NOR AN
UNBOUNDED NUMBER OF STEPS TO DETERMINE NON-HALT STATUS.

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