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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 19:46:26 -0600 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Message-ID: <vhe69i$tuln$2@dont-email.me> References: <vhdd32$oq0l$1@dont-email.me> <c8e35b5f542012b2d798e7fe2afc3004298a2aa5@i2pn2.org> <vhdn96$r2jp$1@dont-email.me> <907b6e45c74720036b5f42c503d76ac426a71c92@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 02:46:27 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9eeddbf0661af45b9b764b78cd434096"; logging-data="981687"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18JMfBfDsxabPFCgfEEcj6P" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:FWb7D9XIIxoWKQVe5Exmo9NGZEg= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241117-2, 11/17/2024), Outbound message In-Reply-To: <907b6e45c74720036b5f42c503d76ac426a71c92@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Bytes: 3162 On 11/17/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 11/17/24 4:30 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 11/17/2024 2:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> void DDD() >>>> { >>>> HHH(DDD); >>>> return; >>>> } >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>> >>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N >>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly >>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state. >>>> >>>> This applies to every DDD emulated by any HHH no >>>> matter the recursive depth of emulation. Thus it is >>>> a verified fact that the input to HHH never halts. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I will also add, that since you have dropped your requirements on HHH >>> (or are seeming to try to divorse yourself from previous assumptions) >>> there are MANY HHH that can complete the emulation, they just fail to >>> be "pure functions". >>> >> >> The damned liar despicably dishonest attempt to get away >> with changing the subject away from DDD reaching its final >> halt state. >> > > Which is just what YOU are doing, as "Halting" and what a "Program" is > are DEFINED, and you can't change it. > YET ANOTHER STUPID LIE. A SMART LIAR WOULD NEVER SAY THAT I MEANT PROGRAM WHEN I ALWAYS SPECIFIED A C FUNCTION. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer