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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou@hotmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 03:38:01 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 48 Message-ID: <vhe9aa$ufh7$1@dont-email.me> References: <vh9vgr$5bb$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 03:38:02 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="da8dc5b53507b46ac4f1202689067d91"; logging-data="998951"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ZB8uh9RKbS+7fouov5MeS" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:a7DHyobQzW8CcID6+tGpDIX+MwM= In-Reply-To: <vh9vgr$5bb$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3447 On 16.11.24 12:26, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote: > There is a command line util (MacOS "say")* that I wish to use fork-exec'd from > my own program and send data to it via a socket created by socketpair(). > Unfortunately "say" behaves differently depending on whether its stdin is > attached to a tty or not (and there's no cmd line option to prevent this). > With the former it'll speak after every newline, with the latter not until it > gets an EOF and I'd rather not do a fork-exec for each individual word or > phrase that needs to be spoken. On shell level I'm using a program called 'pty' that takes the command as argument to make it think it has a terminal connection. Say, instead of calling (forking) your 'say' command you're calling (forking) the 'pty' command with your 'say' command provided as argument. And all the gory details are kept inside the 'pty'. - I forgot whether 'pty' came with my Linux system, or whether I downloaded it separately, or whether I implemented or adapted the version that is published in Stevens' APUE book (with the source code available online, IIRC). IME it's worthwhile to have such a tool at hand; it's useful to me for various application contexts, and the interface is clean, a separate small tool unnecessary to be merged on source code level, and simple to use. I've just tried it (on shell level)... (less than 2 minutes effort...) * Download the APUE examples: http://www.apuebook.com/src.3e.tar.gz * Enter the pty directory and call "make" to get the 'pty' program * To test it try, e.g.: "ls", "ls | cat -", and, "./pty ls | cat -" Disclaimer: I have used 'pty' from shell only, but given what I faintly recall from the mechanisms documented in Stevens' book I'd expect it to work transparently also from a fork/exec'ed pipe-connected context. If you'll try it I'd be interested in feedback, how/whether it works in your fork/exec context with 'say'. Janis > > So my question is - is there a way to set up a pipe or socketpair** so that > it appears to be a tty from the exec'd programs point of view, eg ttyname() > returns non null? > > * The MacOS speech API is Objective-C only and completely obtuse. > > ** Yes I know about the master-slave ptm,pts approach and I have done that in > the past but its complete overkill for this purpose. > > Thanks for any help > >