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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:47:17 -0600
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On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/17/24 8:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/17/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/17/24 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/17/2024 2:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>> {
>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>>>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This applies to every DDD emulated by any HHH no
>>>>>> matter the recursive depth of emulation. Thus it is
>>>>>> a verified fact that the input to HHH never halts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will also add, that since you have dropped your requirements on 
>>>>> HHH (or are seeming to try to divorse yourself from previous 
>>>>> assumptions) there are MANY HHH that can complete the emulation, 
>>>>> they just fail to be "pure functions".
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The damned liar despicably dishonest attempt to get away
>>>> with changing the subject away from DDD reaching its final
>>>> halt state.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is just what YOU are doing, as "Halting" and what a "Program" 
>>> is are DEFINED, and you can't change it.
>>>
>>
>> YET ANOTHER STUPID LIE.
>> A SMART LIAR WOULD NEVER SAY THAT I MEANT
>> PROGRAM WHEN I ALWAYS SPECIFIED A C FUNCTION.
>>
> 
> But then you can talk about "emulation" or x86 semantics, as both of 
> those are operations done on PROGRAMS.
> 

No stupid I provided a published paper that includes the
termination analysis of C functions.

LLVM is equivalent to x86 code. PDF page 27

Automated Termination Analysis of C Programs
https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/972440/files/972440.pdf


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