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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:04:39 -0600
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On 11/17/2024 9:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/17/24 9:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/17/24 8:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/24 4:30 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 2:51 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>>>>>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This applies to every DDD emulated by any HHH no
>>>>>>>> matter the recursive depth of emulation. Thus it is
>>>>>>>> a verified fact that the input to HHH never halts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will also add, that since you have dropped your requirements on 
>>>>>>> HHH (or are seeming to try to divorse yourself from previous 
>>>>>>> assumptions) there are MANY HHH that can complete the emulation, 
>>>>>>> they just fail to be "pure functions".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The damned liar despicably dishonest attempt to get away
>>>>>> with changing the subject away from DDD reaching its final
>>>>>> halt state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is just what YOU are doing, as "Halting" and what a "Program" 
>>>>> is are DEFINED, and you can't change it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YET ANOTHER STUPID LIE.
>>>> A SMART LIAR WOULD NEVER SAY THAT I MEANT
>>>> PROGRAM WHEN I ALWAYS SPECIFIED A C FUNCTION.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But then you can talk about "emulation" or x86 semantics, as both of 
>>> those are operations done on PROGRAMS.
>>>
>>
>> No stupid I provided a published paper that includes the
>> termination analysis of C functions.
> 
> Look again at what they process. C functions that include all the 
> functions they call.
> 

You stupidly claimed termination analysis is only done
on programs. I proved that you were stupidly wrong on
pages 24-27 of the PDF of this paper.

Automated Termination Analysis of C Programs
https://publications.rwth-aachen.de/record/972440/files/972440.pdf


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