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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:05:43 -0600
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On 11/17/2024 9:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/17/24 9:35 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/17/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/17/24 3:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 1:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DDD emulated by any encoding of HHH that emulates N
>>>>>>>> to infinity number of steps of DDD cannot possibly
>>>>>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except your DDD *CAN'T BE EMULTATED* by *ANY* HHH, as it is 
>>>>>>> IMPOSSIBLE to emulate the Call HHH per the x86 language from your 
>>>>>>> input, as the data isn't tnere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In patent law this is called incorporation by reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you need to PRECISELY specify what you are referencing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I referred to every element of an infinite set of encodings
>>>>>> of HHH. You already know that it is ridiculously stupid
>>>>>> that you suggest I should write them all down.
>>>>>
>>>>> And thus admit that you are not talking sense, as each HHH that you 
>>>>> think of creates a DIFFERENT program DDD
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When each of them correctly emulates N instructions of its
>>>>>> input then N instructions have been correctly emulated. It
>>>>>> is despicably dishonest of you to say that when N instructions
>>>>>> have been correctly emulated that no instructions have been
>>>>>> correctly emulating.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it is dishonest for you to lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never said that N instructions correctly emulated is no 
>>>>> instructions correctly emulated, just that it isn't a correct 
>>>>> emulation that provides the answer for the semantic property of 
>>>>> halting, which requires emulating to the final state or an 
>>>>> unbounded number of steps.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> void Infinite_Recursion()
>>>> {
>>>>    Infinite_Recursion();
>>>>    return;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> You are stupid liar. A smart liar would not be caught
>>>> in a lie with such a simple counter-example
>>>> THAT IS NEITHER EMULATED TO THE FINAL STATE NOR AN
>>>> UNBOUNDED NUMBER OF STEPS TO DETERMINE NON-HALT STATUS.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but it is the fact that it CAN be emulated for an unbounded 
>>> number of steps that makes it non-halting. 
>>
>> Your rebuttals are stupid.
>> It cannot be emulated for an unbounded number of steps.
>> That is a stupid thing to say.
> 
> So, you mean a UTM doesn't exist?
> 

HHH is not a UTM you stupid nitwit.


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