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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: The Old vs The New
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:23:59 -0000 (UTC)
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shawn  <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 06:07:46 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
><dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>>On 11/18/2024 1:25 AM, shawn wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:25:13 -0800, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:17:36 -0500, shawn
>>>> <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ideally, in my opinion,  Hamas would be gone and the Palestinian
>>>>> people would be allowed to control their own fate but that doesn't
>>>>> seem likely to happen in my lifetime, if ever. Israel is just helping
>>>>> to win more people over to Hamas by their killing of innocent
>>>>> civilians in an attempt to wipe out Hamas leaders. Which just means
>>>>> the fighting will likely keep going on and on and on.
>>>>
>>>> Given HAMAS routinely uses 'innocent civilians' as human shields if
>>>> the Israeli soldier spots the HAMAS guy with a weapon he's going to
>>>> shoot first and ask questions later.
>>>>
>>>> At best, that's going to mean a wounded civilian - which is just going
>>>> to mean the HAMAS fighter is going to grab yetanother "shield" next
>>>> time  he sees an Israeli.
>>>>
>>>> While I agree with you on your point about winning more people over,
>>>> what's their option besides surrendering to HAMAS?
>>> 
>>> I don't know that they have one. At least not a good one. With a few
>>> million people to hide among even preventing Hamas from launching the
>>> occasional rocket attack is going to be impossible.
>>> 
>>> Though I wonder if they treated the Gazan residents better if they
>>> could have won over their support for Israel at getting rid of Hamas.
>>> I'm not sure it could work now but at least making sure Gaza is
>>> getting food/water/medical supplies would limit the # of people who
>>> might support Hamas.
>>
>>Hamas is the group that is "appropriating" the food/water/medicine sent 
>>to Gaza.
>
>I know but Israel has also been limiting the support available. If
>they didn't there would be more food/water/medicine coming in than
>Hamas could take control of. There's no lack of supplies available if
>only it were easy to get them into Gaza.

Just this morning, the UN complained that the relief convoy was attacked
and the relief couldn't be distributed effectively.

But I'm sure you blame Israel.