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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 15:11:54 -0600
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On 11/18/2024 1:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/18/24 2:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/18/2024 1:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/18/24 1:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2024 8:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/18/24 8:49 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:19 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:35:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 3:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 1:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I referred to every element of an infinite set of encodings 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of HHH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you mean they are parameterised by the number of steps they 
>>>>>>> simulate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I do not mean that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then your arguement is based on an equivocation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether or not DDD emulated by HHH ever reaches its
>>>>>> own "return" instruction final halt state has nothing
>>>>>> to do with any of the internal working of HHH as long
>>>>>> as each HHH emulates N steps of its input according
>>>>>> to the semantics of the x86 language.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except that the behavior DOES depend on if that HHH returns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, your subjective, non-semantic property of "emulated by 
>>>>> HHH" is just a meaningless term, so doesn't really mean anything, 
>>>>> so your statement is just nonsense anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are a damned liar trying to get away with lying about
>>>> the effect of the pathological relationship that DDD specifies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, you are a just a damned liar making claims without any form of 
>>> actual logic behind them.
>>>
>>> Do you have ANY source that backs your claims about what you claim?
>>>
>>
>> DEFECTION FOR BRAINS
>> DDD emulated by HHH specifies that HHH emulates
>> itself emulating DDD such that no such DDD can ever
>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>
>> *Professor Hehner recognized this repeating process before I did*
>>    From a programmer's point of view, if we apply an interpreter to a
>>    program text that includes a call to that same interpreter with that
>>    same text as argument, then we have an infinite loop. A halting
>>    program has some of the same character as an interpreter: it applies
>>    to texts through abstract interpretation. Unsurprisingly, if we apply
>>    a halting program to a program text that includes a call to that same
>>    halting program with that same text as argument, then we have an
>>    infinite loop. (Hehner:2011:15)
>>
>> [5] E C R Hehner. Problems with the Halting Problem, COMPUTING2011 
>> Symposium on 75 years of Turing Machine and Lambda-Calculus, Karlsruhe 
>> Germany, invited, 2011 October 20-21; Advances in Computer Science and 
>> Engineering v.10 n.1 p.31-60, 2013
>> https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/PHP.pdf
>>
> 
> Note, HHH is not a "interpreter" tasked with recreating the behavior of 
> the input.
> 

An emulator is isomorphic to an interpreter shit-for-brains.

> Thus, the arguement does not hold.
> 
> If HHH aborts, then the CORRECT interpreation of the input is non- 
> halting, as DDD calls HHH which will return to DDD and thus DDD Halts.
> 
> 
> HHH is just an incorrect decider, because it wasn't smart enough to 
> handle this non-pathological case.


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