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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: HHH(DDD) computes the mapping from its input to HHH emulating
 itself emulating DDD --- anyone that says otherwise is a liar
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 17:06:39 -0600
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On 11/18/2024 3:35 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 11/18/24 4:11 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 11/18/2024 1:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 11/18/24 2:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 11/18/2024 1:05 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 11/18/24 1:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 8:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/18/24 8:49 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/18/2024 3:19 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Sun, 17 Nov 2024 20:35:43 -0600 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 8:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 8:44 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 4:03 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 3:49 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2024 1:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I referred to every element of an infinite set of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> encodings of HHH.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you mean they are parameterised by the number of steps they 
>>>>>>>>> simulate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No I do not mean that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then your arguement is based on an equivocation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether or not DDD emulated by HHH ever reaches its
>>>>>>>> own "return" instruction final halt state has nothing
>>>>>>>> to do with any of the internal working of HHH as long
>>>>>>>> as each HHH emulates N steps of its input according
>>>>>>>> to the semantics of the x86 language.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except that the behavior DOES depend on if that HHH returns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, your subjective, non-semantic property of "emulated by 
>>>>>>> HHH" is just a meaningless term, so doesn't really mean anything, 
>>>>>>> so your statement is just nonsense anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are a damned liar trying to get away with lying about
>>>>>> the effect of the pathological relationship that DDD specifies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, you are a just a damned liar making claims without any form 
>>>>> of actual logic behind them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have ANY source that backs your claims about what you claim?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DEFECTION FOR BRAINS
>>>> DDD emulated by HHH specifies that HHH emulates
>>>> itself emulating DDD such that no such DDD can ever
>>>> reach its "return" instruction final halt state.
>>>>
>>>> *Professor Hehner recognized this repeating process before I did*
>>>>    From a programmer's point of view, if we apply an interpreter to a
>>>>    program text that includes a call to that same interpreter with that
>>>>    same text as argument, then we have an infinite loop. A halting
>>>>    program has some of the same character as an interpreter: it applies
>>>>    to texts through abstract interpretation. Unsurprisingly, if we 
>>>> apply
>>>>    a halting program to a program text that includes a call to that 
>>>> same
>>>>    halting program with that same text as argument, then we have an
>>>>    infinite loop. (Hehner:2011:15)
>>>>
>>>> [5] E C R Hehner. Problems with the Halting Problem, COMPUTING2011 
>>>> Symposium on 75 years of Turing Machine and Lambda-Calculus, 
>>>> Karlsruhe Germany, invited, 2011 October 20-21; Advances in Computer 
>>>> Science and Engineering v.10 n.1 p.31-60, 2013
>>>> https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~hehner/PHP.pdf
>>>>
>>>
>>> Note, HHH is not a "interpreter" tasked with recreating the behavior 
>>> of the input.
>>>
>>
>> An emulator is isomorphic to an interpreter shit-for-brains.
> 
> But both are only that if they never stop.
> 

No shit-for-brains that is not true.
An emulator is ALWAYS isomorphic to an interpreter.

> HHH is not an "interpreter" or an "emulator" it is a decider, just like 

HHH <is> an emulator shit-for-brains. That it is more
that an emulator does not mean it is not an emulator.

Not only is HHH an emulator it is a complete emulator
it correctly emulates the whole set of x86 instructions
that are in Halt7.obj.

> all halt deciders / termination analyzers. It may use partial emulation 
> as a method, but it fails to meet the definition of a full emulator.
> 

No shit-for-brains. Your severe brain damage keeps
insisting that a non-terminating input be emulated
completely. It emulates terminating inputs completely.

-- 
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