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From: Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Thank you EU!
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 10:17:06 -0500
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On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by 
>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then Siri 
>>>>>>>>>>>> defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the default 
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I also asked 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for directions to a nearest (brand name) store location from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a brand's app. I was give a choice of Apple or Google 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before this Siri change, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many people...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You 
>>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's 
>>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app 
>>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase or 
>>>>>>>> fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the wall, 
>>>>>>>> that is not permitted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how 
>>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't 
>>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that 
>>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those 
>>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until recently 
>>>>>>>> on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the Amazon site, 
>>>>>>>> not the Amazon app, even though the subscription covers the 
>>>>>>>> cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app an Unlimited 
>>>>>>>> book right off the app. That was very inconvenient, and might 
>>>>>>>> push someone to use Apple's Books app.  A very small garden wall 
>>>>>>>> brick gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases 
>>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to 
>>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to 
>>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic 
>>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion 
>>>>>>>> until they get their cut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S. 
>>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give me 
>>>>> all your money...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making much 
>>>> money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>>
>>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>>
>>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>>
>>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>>
>>> Well, duh!
>>>
>>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>>
>> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not 
>> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the default 
>> navigation app and delete Apple Maps?
> 
> Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide whether 
> or not to buy it.
> 
>> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant?
> 
> Same answer.
> 
>> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet?
> 
> Same answer.
> 
>> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app 
>> purchases?
> 
> Same answer.
> 
>> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?
> 
> Same answer.
> 
>>
>> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what 
>> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not 
>> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will 
>> certainly be subject to additional fines.
> 
> It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to abandon 
> it...
> 
> ...when you think it's good for YOU.
> 

LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make 
it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too.

I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App 
Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and 
equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the 
option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default.

It's my phone, not Apple's!